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London and Middlesex / Re: East End Road, East Finchley
« on: Friday 02 March 12 00:46 GMT (UK)  »
Have you tried looking at Google earth?  Look for East End Road.  Follow the road westwards.

I have an old map of East Finchley and my guess would be that Prenton is between the Five Bells and Trinity Road.  Some of those houses on that side of the road are still there and from memory they were very large.

Fascinating story too.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Census & Service Families
« on: Sunday 26 February 12 19:22 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Joy - guess I want to run before I can even crawl nevermind walk!

Part of the learning curve I suppose but I had found the Lancaster / Drury marriage and dismissed it with nothing helpful like a note as to why!  Similarly I found Alfred in Esher as a boarder on the 1901 census but I think at the time I was of the opinion that he originated from Castle Hedingham and so again dismissed it.  Good job I'm not a detective!

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London and Middlesex / Re: Census & Service Families
« on: Sunday 26 February 12 18:24 GMT (UK)  »
So sorry if these are inane questions but when you are quoting 25.12.1909 is that the marriage date or the end of the quarter recording the marriage?

Is the discrepancy in their ages i.e. at marriage  he is 24 and she 19, a 5 year difference not 2 years as shown by CWGC, merely a clerical error?

Is this a different marriage to the one found by KGarrad?

JenniferC where did you get information on Margaret Drury from?  Sign of the times maybe there was another cobblers two doors from me, 100 yards or so from the High Road.

If you weren't all so clever in identifying the daughter how should I have gone about finding any children from a marriage?  I had enough trouble trying to go back never mind going forwards!

How do you know that in between any two census dates there haven't been births who sadly did not survive the intervening 10 years?

Were the censuses always conducted in April the year after the decade i.e. 1891, 1901, 1911 etc.?

I'm sorry if my questions are a bit jumbled - kind of reflects the state of my brain at the moment!


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London and Middlesex / Re: Census & Service Families
« on: Sunday 26 February 12 17:38 GMT (UK)  »
As you may have guessed this is the first time that I have done this and I have spent the last two weeks or so trawling through totally irrelevant records!  I do so wish I had sought your help earlier.

So after destroying a few trees, because I can't read too much information on the screen, what was I doing wrong?

I was brought up within a stone's throw of where they lived and am absolutely amazed at the probate details.  Might that have been compensation for the loss of their house?  It would have bought the whole street several times over!

Know that I know who he was, is there an easy way to determine his regiment so that I can cross reference back to my list from the LG.  Am I correct in believing that men enlisted or were conscripted into local regiments in WW1?

Which brings me to my final (in my dreams!) query.  I have a number of issue and page numbers from my LG search.  These lead me to, by date, issue number, & page number a long list of names by army number, rank, & name.  I then get the option to look at the .pdf or to buy the LG.  Neither of these options give me any further information.  In just one instance it led to a paragraph some three months later giving details of the event.  Is this because of the high number of casualties or that generally only details are given for officers?

I am staggered at the information that you have given me and the speed with which you have achieved this. Thank you all so much.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Census & Service Families
« on: Sunday 26 February 12 16:38 GMT (UK)  »
aged 52 & 50 respectively (BMD records their ages as 53 & 51 which confuses me since I would have thought that both would use the same base record!). 

There is no such thing as a "base record"!
Ages on death certificates are those given by the informer. ::)

I have been trying to post since this one!!!

Who might have reported death in the blitz?

I meant that I thought that the death certificate would have been the source record and therefore the common reference point.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Census & Service Families
« on: Sunday 26 February 12 15:23 GMT (UK)  »
The CWGC records list a Mr Alfred J Drury MM, husband of Mrs Rose E Drury both killed on 15th November 1940 at 147 High Road, East Finchley, London N2, aged 52 & 50 respectively (BMD records their ages as 53 & 51 which confuses me since I would have thought that both would use the same base record!). 

I initially thought that the MM may have been awarded posthumously because many others died with them, but if I understand correctly it is an award given for bravery in the field and given his age I therefore assume it was awarded in WW1.

I am not aware of there being any children from the marriage but that may change. 

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London and Middlesex / Re: Census & Service Families
« on: Sunday 26 February 12 15:04 GMT (UK)  »
I am having great difficulty posting!

Thanks to all of you for responding so quickly.

Would the normal search facility pick these records up?

I have a WW1 MM holder, killed with his wife in the blitz in WW2.  I cannot pick him up on the census neither can I identify any birth or marriage records and do not know which of the London Gazette entries relates to him.

Also having got the one line entry in the gazette, how does one then find out why the award was given?

Any help would be much appreciated.

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London and Middlesex / Census & Service Families
« on: Sunday 26 February 12 12:21 GMT (UK)  »
I am looking at 1911 census and am wondering where, if anywhere, service families' details are recorded and births / deaths registered.


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London and Middlesex / Re: Finchley - Blacksmith Shop (~1851)
« on: Friday 05 March 10 15:30 GMT (UK)  »
Does anyone know anything about a blacksmith shop in Finchley mid 19th century? It's cited as one of my ancestor's residence in the 1851 census. The script is difficult to read, but it looks like it says "known as W. Bafe's Blacksmith Shop." A different member here wondered if it said W. Bass.

Also - does anyone know anything about the history of the Bald-faced Stag Pub? It started out as the Jolly Blacksmiths in the 1730s, and sold illicit beer, but there doesn't seem to be info between then and the name change (which I think happened in 1890.)

(I'm trying to determine whether there is a connection between "known as a blacksmith shop" and illicit beer sellers by that name.)

I'm sure that there were others but The Bald Faced Stag was on the junction of East End Road and The High Road in East Finchley.  A school was built in I think 1847 (Holy Trinity Primary) next to the Bald Faced Stag but further along East End Road is another pub called The Five Bells and the blacksmith's shop was to the right of this.

Hope that this helps.

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