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Leicestershire / Henry Upton of Markfield
« on: Friday 12 March 10 13:56 GMT (UK) »
Just a thought - could John have been a son of Henry by a first wife? Have you looked at earlier marriages?
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Leicestershire / Re: Desford burial, 1811 - UPTON thread!
« on: Wednesday 10 March 10 14:03 GMT (UK) »
I managed to spend a few hours in the Record Office on Monday and can now contribute some more to the discussion.
My first thought is - since both John Uptons seem to have been born around 1793, the one who married Ann Fradsham in 1823 would have been 30 then - late for a first marriage. His first wife is unlikely to have been Rebecca Lester, with such a long gap since her death in 1816. John and Rebecca, then John and Mary Dexter is much more likely. It seems likely, then, that Ann Fradsham was the other John's second wife, although I haven't explored the possibility of a first one.
Since only one of these Johns seems to have been baptised in Desford, I looked at neighbouring parishes, results as follows:
Thornton - DE 1269/5 1779-1795 - 1793 Mary Dexter bap daughter of George and Elizabeth. No Uptons
Markfield - DE 1729/2 1785-1812 - 1795 Mary Dexter bap daughter of Joseph and Alice, 27 June. No Uptons
Ratby - DE 994/1 1778-1805 (stopped at 1795 for lack of time) No Uptons
Kirby Muxloe - DE 123/6 - 1784-1794 No Uptons
Kirby Muxloe - DE 123/7 - 1794-1812 No Uptons 1794-8
Newbold Verdon - DE 750/3(1&2) 1754-1804 No Uptons 1790-1804
Kirby Mallory - DE 515/3 - 1754-1812 No Uptons
Kirby Mallory - DE 515/4 - 1783-1794 No Uptons
Woodhouse marriages 1754-1797 (started at 1780)
1792 - Henry Upton m Sarah Wire 9 April
- John Upton m Mary Wire 13 Aug
- Benjamin Upton m Ann Wootten 3 Sept
Any of these could have been the parents of the John born 1793 who was not born in Desford.
Woodhouse Bishops' Transcripts - MF 457 (looked at 1764-1803 before time ran out)
Plenty of Uptons, but no Johns baptised around 1793
I looked in the Wills index, but couldn't find one that would help.
Not sure where this gets us, except back to Woodhouse, where the centenarian John may have been born. But no other baptisms around 1793 for a John.
Anyone any more ideas?
Judi
My first thought is - since both John Uptons seem to have been born around 1793, the one who married Ann Fradsham in 1823 would have been 30 then - late for a first marriage. His first wife is unlikely to have been Rebecca Lester, with such a long gap since her death in 1816. John and Rebecca, then John and Mary Dexter is much more likely. It seems likely, then, that Ann Fradsham was the other John's second wife, although I haven't explored the possibility of a first one.
Since only one of these Johns seems to have been baptised in Desford, I looked at neighbouring parishes, results as follows:
Thornton - DE 1269/5 1779-1795 - 1793 Mary Dexter bap daughter of George and Elizabeth. No Uptons
Markfield - DE 1729/2 1785-1812 - 1795 Mary Dexter bap daughter of Joseph and Alice, 27 June. No Uptons
Ratby - DE 994/1 1778-1805 (stopped at 1795 for lack of time) No Uptons
Kirby Muxloe - DE 123/6 - 1784-1794 No Uptons
Kirby Muxloe - DE 123/7 - 1794-1812 No Uptons 1794-8
Newbold Verdon - DE 750/3(1&2) 1754-1804 No Uptons 1790-1804
Kirby Mallory - DE 515/3 - 1754-1812 No Uptons
Kirby Mallory - DE 515/4 - 1783-1794 No Uptons
Woodhouse marriages 1754-1797 (started at 1780)
1792 - Henry Upton m Sarah Wire 9 April
- John Upton m Mary Wire 13 Aug
- Benjamin Upton m Ann Wootten 3 Sept
Any of these could have been the parents of the John born 1793 who was not born in Desford.
Woodhouse Bishops' Transcripts - MF 457 (looked at 1764-1803 before time ran out)
Plenty of Uptons, but no Johns baptised around 1793
I looked in the Wills index, but couldn't find one that would help.
Not sure where this gets us, except back to Woodhouse, where the centenarian John may have been born. But no other baptisms around 1793 for a John.
Anyone any more ideas?
Judi
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Northamptonshire / Re: The inns of Peterborough & environs in the 1700s?
« on: Thursday 04 March 10 21:40 GMT (UK) »
I have a similar problem.
Benjamin Ward was an innholder in Peterborough in the 1770s, which means he owned it rather than just ran it. He was also a juror at the Quarter Sessions in the 1770s. I've exhausted the archives at the NRO, which have records of some inns in Peterborough, but there's no way of telling which BW owned.
He married twice in the 1770s and later moved to Wisbech, where he died in 1800.
Neither he nor either of his wives were born in Peteborough, and so far I've not been able to find out where he came from.
At the NRO there are some wills of innholders, but none of them show BW inheriting one. One may be relevant to Mark's query.
Has anyone any info which might help tracing BW?
Benjamin Ward was an innholder in Peterborough in the 1770s, which means he owned it rather than just ran it. He was also a juror at the Quarter Sessions in the 1770s. I've exhausted the archives at the NRO, which have records of some inns in Peterborough, but there's no way of telling which BW owned.
He married twice in the 1770s and later moved to Wisbech, where he died in 1800.
Neither he nor either of his wives were born in Peteborough, and so far I've not been able to find out where he came from.
At the NRO there are some wills of innholders, but none of them show BW inheriting one. One may be relevant to Mark's query.
Has anyone any info which might help tracing BW?
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Leicestershire / Re: Desford burial, 1811
« on: Thursday 04 March 10 19:27 GMT (UK) »
I thought I was descended from this line, thus:
John 1709ish
Thomas 1747
William 1770
but I have William's son John (1793) m. Mary Dexter Desford 1813/14, not Ann, and this John died 1837, not 1868. Their first child, Ann, was born Desford 1815, but thereafter the children were born in Stanton-under-Bardon, down to my father in 1906. Mary is down as a widow on the 1841 census and my line is solid down from there, so the question is - were there two John Uptons born Desford around 1793? His headstone says he died in 1837 aged 44, hence the 1793 birth date.
Can anyone shed light on this?
John 1709ish
Thomas 1747
William 1770
but I have William's son John (1793) m. Mary Dexter Desford 1813/14, not Ann, and this John died 1837, not 1868. Their first child, Ann, was born Desford 1815, but thereafter the children were born in Stanton-under-Bardon, down to my father in 1906. Mary is down as a widow on the 1841 census and my line is solid down from there, so the question is - were there two John Uptons born Desford around 1793? His headstone says he died in 1837 aged 44, hence the 1793 birth date.
Can anyone shed light on this?
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