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Suffolk Lookup Requests / Re: Farrow family - Whepstead
« on: Wednesday 25 February 26 14:36 GMT (UK)  »
It's good of you both to take an interest in this woman.

However, rather than hunting for potential baptisms in neighbouring parishes, I think the real question here is, why is there no record of her baptism in Whepstead when all the census evidence indicates that she had been born there.

The only Farrow couple having children in Whepstead in the 1790s were actually my 5th gg-grandparents, George Farrow and Mary born Farrow, who had married in 1789. There was Mary baptised in 1791, George in 1796 and John in 1799. Three further children were baptised in 1802, 1806 and 1809.

Elizabeth would fit comfortably between Mary and George.

Looking at the original baptism registers, it is clear that the population of Whepstead was small.

1791   16 baptisms
1792   15
1793   12
1794   12 baptisms - none recorded in the months of Sep., Oct. & Nov.
1795   18
1796   13
1797   26
1798   20
1799   33 baptisms - none recorded in the months of Jul., Aug. & Sep.

The periods during which there were no baptisms recorded fall in the middle of otherwise clearly legible pages in the registers.

Is it possible, or indeed likely, that the absence of a record of Elizabeth's baptism is simply the result of an oversight on the part of the local vicar?


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Plea from 1512
« on: Friday 21 November 25 16:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you both again. I have a lot more to learn.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Plea from 1512
« on: Friday 21 November 25 14:13 GMT (UK)  »
I have attempted a transcription of the 1416 plea against Walter Barre.

Willelmus Clement de Grove per attornatum suum optulit se iiijto die versus Walterum Barre de Grove in comitatu predicto

husbondman de placito quod reddat ei quatuor libras quas ei debet & iniuste detinet &c. Et ipse non &c.

Et {…} fuit vicecomiti quod summoneret eum &c Et vicecomes modo mandavit quod nichil habet &c. Ideo capiat quod sit hic in Octabis

sancte Trinitatis &c Et unde &c.


In the third line, I would expect to see preceptum, but that does not appear to be so in this case.

Any ideas please?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Plea from 1512
« on: Friday 21 November 25 10:24 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, Vance, I had seen it, thank you.

I'm very much a novice with these old Latin texts, but I can read that William Clement was claiming that Walter Barre owed him £4.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Plea from 1512
« on: Thursday 20 November 25 16:27 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you both very much. This puts a few more morsels of flesh on the bare bones of the Barre lineage.

Members of both the Barre and Wynterbourn families were listed as poll tax payers in Grove in 1381. The names also appear on the 1522 muster roll. They are my most distant known ancestors.

I shall definitely look into the Forcible Entry Act.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Entry in Plea Roll of 1485
« on: Thursday 20 November 25 14:31 GMT (UK)  »
I love a bit of grammar  :) Back to my Latin primer.

I would have never recalled that peculiarity of possessive adjectives.

Thank you again.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Plea from 1512
« on: Thursday 20 November 25 14:21 GMT (UK)  »
My apologies for the incorrect sequence of these three images.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help with Plea from 1512
« on: Thursday 20 November 25 14:16 GMT (UK)  »
I would be enormously grateful if somebody could provide me with a summary of this lengthy plea covering Edward Radley's accusations against six men.

The complete original image of CP 40/998 can be found here https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/aalt/cp40_link.php?folder=140&image=1020

John Barre is, most likely, one of my distant ancestors.

Many thanks, Justin

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Entry in Plea Roll of 1485
« on: Thursday 20 November 25 13:44 GMT (UK)  »
I have attempted to transcribe that last plea. I would greatly appreciate any corrections.

Johannes Kentwode et Elisabeth uxor eius per attorn(atum) suo(s) op(tulerunt) se iiijto die v(er)sus Will(el)m(um) Wynterbourn nup(er)
de Grove in Com(itatu) p(re)d(i)c(t)o {myller} de pl(ac)ito t(ra)nsgr(essi)o(nis). Et ipse non venit. Et preceptum fuit vicecomiti q(uo)d {caperet}
eum. &c Et vicecomes retorn(avit) q(uo)d ipse non est invent(us) &c I(de)o sicut alias preceptum est vicecomiti q(uo)d {capiat eum}
si &c Et salvo &c Ita quod h(ab)eat corpus eius coram D(omi)no Rege a die Pasche in xv dies
ubicumque &c.

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