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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Plea from 1512
« on: Friday 21 November 25 16:49 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both again. I have a lot more to learn.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Plea from 1512
« on: Friday 21 November 25 14:13 GMT (UK) »
I have attempted a transcription of the 1416 plea against Walter Barre.
Willelmus Clement de Grove per attornatum suum optulit se iiijto die versus Walterum Barre de Grove in comitatu predicto
husbondman de placito quod reddat ei quatuor libras quas ei debet & iniuste detinet &c. Et ipse non &c.
Et {…} fuit vicecomiti quod summoneret eum &c Et vicecomes modo mandavit quod nichil habet &c. Ideo capiat quod sit hic in Octabis
sancte Trinitatis &c Et unde &c.
In the third line, I would expect to see preceptum, but that does not appear to be so in this case.
Any ideas please?
Willelmus Clement de Grove per attornatum suum optulit se iiijto die versus Walterum Barre de Grove in comitatu predicto
husbondman de placito quod reddat ei quatuor libras quas ei debet & iniuste detinet &c. Et ipse non &c.
Et {…} fuit vicecomiti quod summoneret eum &c Et vicecomes modo mandavit quod nichil habet &c. Ideo capiat quod sit hic in Octabis
sancte Trinitatis &c Et unde &c.
In the third line, I would expect to see preceptum, but that does not appear to be so in this case.
Any ideas please?
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Plea from 1512
« on: Friday 21 November 25 10:24 GMT (UK) »
Yes, Vance, I had seen it, thank you.
I'm very much a novice with these old Latin texts, but I can read that William Clement was claiming that Walter Barre owed him £4.
I'm very much a novice with these old Latin texts, but I can read that William Clement was claiming that Walter Barre owed him £4.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Plea from 1512
« on: Thursday 20 November 25 16:27 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both very much. This puts a few more morsels of flesh on the bare bones of the Barre lineage.
Members of both the Barre and Wynterbourn families were listed as poll tax payers in Grove in 1381. The names also appear on the 1522 muster roll. They are my most distant known ancestors.
I shall definitely look into the Forcible Entry Act.
Members of both the Barre and Wynterbourn families were listed as poll tax payers in Grove in 1381. The names also appear on the 1522 muster roll. They are my most distant known ancestors.
I shall definitely look into the Forcible Entry Act.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Entry in Plea Roll of 1485
« on: Thursday 20 November 25 14:31 GMT (UK) »
I love a bit of grammar 
Back to my Latin primer.
I would have never recalled that peculiarity of possessive adjectives.
Thank you again.
Back to my Latin primer. I would have never recalled that peculiarity of possessive adjectives.
Thank you again.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Plea from 1512
« on: Thursday 20 November 25 14:21 GMT (UK) »
My apologies for the incorrect sequence of these three images.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help with Plea from 1512
« on: Thursday 20 November 25 14:16 GMT (UK) »
I would be enormously grateful if somebody could provide me with a summary of this lengthy plea covering Edward Radley's accusations against six men.
The complete original image of CP 40/998 can be found here https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/aalt/cp40_link.php?folder=140&image=1020
John Barre is, most likely, one of my distant ancestors.
Many thanks, Justin
The complete original image of CP 40/998 can be found here https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/aalt/cp40_link.php?folder=140&image=1020
John Barre is, most likely, one of my distant ancestors.
Many thanks, Justin
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Entry in Plea Roll of 1485
« on: Thursday 20 November 25 13:44 GMT (UK) »
I have attempted to transcribe that last plea. I would greatly appreciate any corrections.
Johannes Kentwode et Elisabeth uxor eius per attorn(atum) suo(s) op(tulerunt) se iiijto die v(er)sus Will(el)m(um) Wynterbourn nup(er)
de Grove in Com(itatu) p(re)d(i)c(t)o {myller} de pl(ac)ito t(ra)nsgr(essi)o(nis). Et ipse non venit. Et preceptum fuit vicecomiti q(uo)d {caperet}
eum. &c Et vicecomes retorn(avit) q(uo)d ipse non est invent(us) &c I(de)o sicut alias preceptum est vicecomiti q(uo)d {capiat eum}
si &c Et salvo &c Ita quod h(ab)eat corpus eius coram D(omi)no Rege a die Pasche in xv dies
ubicumque &c.
Johannes Kentwode et Elisabeth uxor eius per attorn(atum) suo(s) op(tulerunt) se iiijto die v(er)sus Will(el)m(um) Wynterbourn nup(er)
de Grove in Com(itatu) p(re)d(i)c(t)o {myller} de pl(ac)ito t(ra)nsgr(essi)o(nis). Et ipse non venit. Et preceptum fuit vicecomiti q(uo)d {caperet}
eum. &c Et vicecomes retorn(avit) q(uo)d ipse non est invent(us) &c I(de)o sicut alias preceptum est vicecomiti q(uo)d {capiat eum}
si &c Et salvo &c Ita quod h(ab)eat corpus eius coram D(omi)no Rege a die Pasche in xv dies
ubicumque &c.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Entry in Plea Roll of 1485
« on: Tuesday 18 November 25 16:42 GMT (UK) »
Thank again for the additional detail.
This last snippet is of an action in 1482 against William Wynterbourn, miller of Grove, for trespass. Presumably, this is not the debtor in the other pleas.
This last snippet is of an action in 1482 against William Wynterbourn, miller of Grove, for trespass. Presumably, this is not the debtor in the other pleas.