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Donegal / Re: Owencrick,Clonmany? ( post complete)
« on: Saturday 08 January 11 20:51 GMT (UK)  »
T - it's Owenerk probably.  On the other side of the hill from Urris.  Look on the map and you will see it at the foot of the Gap (Mamore).

J

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Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests / Re: Southampton Mystery - Need Urgent Help!
« on: Monday 13 December 10 13:31 GMT (UK)  »
 :)

Many thanks for your suggestion.  I will definately do this.

I managed to get Philip's birth, marriage and death certificate and have just sent off for his two son's birth certs.  Would love to find out some more through press clippings, certainly.

Merry Christmas!

Jennifer

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Scotland / Re: Moughan
« on: Monday 01 November 10 00:46 GMT (UK)  »
I have found some O'MOUGHANs in the parish of Clonmany, Co Donegal, Ireland (townland of Lenan) in the 1665 Hearth Money Rolls:

O' MOUGHAN   DONELL      Lenan
O' MOUGHAN   SHAN      Lenan
O' MOUGHAN   TORLAGH      Lenan

There are no records of anyone of this name in the succeeding centuries up the present day.  Would be very interested to hear if anyone has any theories or knows of where this family moved to.....


A good explanation of these valuable land records is given by Frank Connelly:


THE HEARTH MONEY TAX IN IRELAND (1662-1793)

The records of the Hearth Money Tax (known as the Hearth Money Rolls) are amongst the most valuable genealogical records of the 17th century, giving us some insight into the inhabitants of the district, their location and distribution, and even a little of their social status. Indeed they provide the most complete lists of the people of the land that are available before the 19th century surveys.

The Hearth Money Tax was begun by Acts 14 and 15 of King Charles II. It was a new tax of 2 shillings yearly on every hearth or fireplace in a house. Granted by Parliament to the King in compensation for the loss of certain lucrative feudal rights, and together with increased Custom and Excise duties, and a new Quit Rent, it raised the Royal income considerably. Charles was thus enabled to rule Ireland, without calling another Parliament.

The Hearth Tax, like all taxes was resented, especially as it entailed the inspection of houses. Furthermore it was considered unfair. The Quit Rent fell only on landlords who were able to pay, but the Hearth Tax was oppressive on the poor and for that reason it was abolished in England in 1689. However it was continued in Ireland till nearly the end of the 18th century – “a shameful affliction on the poor peasant to whom even two or three shillings in the year for such a tax was a burden and a wrong”.1

Henry Grattan finally succeeded in having Parliament abolish the Hearth Money Tax in Ireland in 1793, “and thus the peasant was encouraged to build a comfortable cottage in place of his hovel”.2

The Hearth Money Rolls are lists of persons paying the Hearth Tax. They list householders in a Barony, Parish by Parish, on a townland basis. The tax was collected over areas known as “Walks” and based on a town, but covering not only the town but also large areas surrounding it. They are not, of course, of all householders for the very poor were exempt from the Tax and others, no doubt, by their ingenuity escaped the attention of the “Smoke Man” as the collector was called in Ireland.

The original Hearth Money records are not extant. They were destroyed in the Four Courts, Dublin in June 1922 together with other invaluable historical material. Fortunately several transcripts had been made and it is from one of these kept in the P.R.O.N.I. that the Rolls for two Parishes in the Barony of Cary for 1699 were copied. 

An obvious difficulty in studying the Rolls is to locate and identify some of the townlands mentioned. Apart from the inconsistency in spelling which is common in most old documents the fact that errors in transcription cannot now be checked since the destruction of the originals adds further to the problem. Nor should the difficulties of the “Smoke Man” himself be forgotten, working as he did amongst the mainly Gaelic-speaking and often resentful occupiers. Besides, townland boundaries could alter and they could be subdivided or united to and absorbed by neighbouring townlands. The names in brackets, therefore, after the townlands only may be their modern Ordnance Survey equivalents in some cases.


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Have received post today from the Register Office in Southampton! Very excited.

Marriage Cert Details

Date of Marriage - 24th April 1950

Groom:

Philip Aloysius McLaughlin
26 years
Bachelor
Ganger - Building Contractors
Residence at time of marriage - 145 Kathleen Road, Southampton
Father - Michael McLaughlin (Farmer)


Bride:
Kathleen May Mitchell (formerly O'Rourke)
26 years
The divorced wife of Alexander Mitchell
No profession listed
Residence at time of marriage - 145 Kathleen Road, Southampton
Father - Dennis O'Rourke (deceased) [Shipyard Driller]

______________________________________________________________________


Death Certificate Details

Date of Death - 13th November 1955 (Royal South Hants Hospital, Southampton)

Desceased:

Philip Aloysius McLaughlin
32 years
Occupation - Of 147 Porlock Road, Southampton. A foreman (Civil Engineering Contractors)
Cause of Death - 1. Fracture of the skull and subdural haemorrhage
                          2. Compound fracture of tibia and fibula
                          3. Pedestrian knocked down by motor car on highway
                          4. Accident PM
Informant - Certificate received from MFJ Emanuel Deputy Coroner for Borough of Southampton. Inquest held 16th November 1953 (am assuming that this is a mis-print and should have been 1955??)
When registered - 17th November 1955

__________________________________________________________________-

Am delighted to have made so much progress and thanks again to all that have helped me so far.  Am now on the trail again of their two sons....born perhaps just before the marriage in 1950.  My Dad reckons that they are the same ages as him and his brother (they were born in 1944 and 1946).

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The Common Room / Re: Help with a MYSTERY - Ireland/England/South Africa
« on: Monday 27 September 10 18:08 BST (UK)  »
Have received post today from the Register Office in Southampton! Very excited.

Marriage Cert Details

Date of Marriage - 24th April 1950

Groom:

Philip Aloysius McLaughlin
26 years
Bachelor
Ganger - Building Contractors
Residence at time of marriage - 145 Kathleen Road, Southampton
Father - Michael McLaughlin (Farmer)


Bride:
Kathleen May Mitchell (formerly O'Rourke)
26 years
The divorced wife of Alexander Mitchell
No profession listed
Residence at time of marriage - 145 Kathleen Road, Southampton
Father - Dennis O'Rourke (deceased) [Shipyard Driller]

______________________________________________________________________


Death Certificate Details

Date of Death - 13th November 1955 (Royal South Hants Hospital, Southampton)


Desceased:

Philip Aloysius McLaughlin
32 years
Occupation - Of 147 Porlock Road, Southampton. A foreman (Civil Engineering Contractors)
Cause of Death - 1. Fracture of the skull and subdural haemorrhage
                          2. Compound fracture of tibia and fibula
                          3. Pedestrian knocked down by motor car on highway
                          4. Accident PM
Informant - Certificate received from MFJ Emanuel Deputy Coroner for Borough of Southampton. Inquest held 16th November 1953 (am assuming that this is a mis-print and should have been 1955??)
When registered - 17th November 1955

__________________________________________________________________-

Am delighted to have made so much progress and thanks again to all that have helped me so far.  Am now on the trail again of their two sons....born perhaps just before the marriage in 1950.  My Dad reckons that they are the same ages as him and his brother (they were born in 1944 and 1946).

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Lanarkshire / MACKILLOP / MCKILLOP / MCKILLIP family connections
« on: Sunday 19 September 10 02:59 BST (UK)  »
Hi there,

At the moment a particular branch of the family is of interest to me - ie the McKillops.
 
My Gtx4 Grandfather was a Duncan McKillop born (it is alleged by distant relation on another forum) in Co. Antrim in 1791.  He married Jean Moffat (b. 1795) in Eastwood, Renfrewshire in 1813 and they had eight children (all born in Airdrie, Lanarkshire, Scotland):
 
Patrick Peter    16/01/1816 - 15/07/1875
Ann                 10/04/1819 - ?
Mary                01/10/1823 - 14/02/1907
Jane                1824 - 04/02/1873
AGNES             1829 - 05/08/1901  (my Gt x 3 Grandmother)
Duncan            1831 - 17/12/1899
John                1834 - ?
Daniel              1843 - 06/01/1918



My Gtx3 Granny Agnes married James MacKrell (b. 1825 Ireland) in St. Margaret's RC Church, Airdrie on 13 Feb 1860.
 
 
I am particularly interested in the Ulster-Scots connection.  I told my uncle that I didn't believe McKillop to be a native Irish name and most likely came originally from Scotland.  I read on one of the other forums that it originates from Arran Island in Scotland. 
 
Any information you may have would be brilliant


Thanks in advance - Jennifer

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Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests / Re: Southampton Mystery - Need Urgent Help!
« on: Wednesday 15 September 10 13:53 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Jan - you've been very kind.

I rang up the Southampton BDM office this morning and they are going to look them up based on the details given and get back to me.  I'd like to get both Philip's marriage and death certs so I can take it from there.

Will post my findings of course!

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Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests / Re: Southampton Mystery - Need Urgent Help!
« on: Tuesday 14 September 10 22:30 BST (UK)  »
I suppose what I really would like to find out is the following:

1) obituary and actual death of Philip McLaughlin - perhaps a newpaper clipping
2) name of his wife - can't confirm this yet.  She then remarried - need to trace that marriage.  She is now dead so I am not asking for personal details of someone living.  I would then perhaps use THAT information to look for LIVING relations - can't do this without tracing their "ancestors" first if you know what I mean.  I HAD intended looking for living relations in the places you suggested.  I am hitting a brick wall as they will no longer be McLaughlin as explained.  Their mother remarried and they took on the name of their stepfather.

I am currently following up the leads given which I received very gratefully and thanked those concerned for.

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The Common Room / Re: Help with a MYSTERY - Ireland/England/South Africa
« on: Tuesday 14 September 10 22:16 BST (UK)  »
Found out this evening that Philip died in 1950 in SOUTHAMPTON and not Wolverhampton.  Am currently in the process of ammending the other threads I have posted on.  Thank you to all who have gone out of their way to assist me to date.  It is much appreciated.

Also, his wife is possibly a Kathleen M Mitchell (O'Rourke) as advised by Dave Francis on another thread.  This concurs with my father's first suggestion of O'Rourke as Philip's wife.  Marriage details given were the year 1950.

Apologies for the confusion - trying to work with my 84yo granduncle who is getting a bit confused unfortunately.

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