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Hi,
Maybe I can help a bit. Most of the information which follows comes from transcriptions of Anglesey BMD certificates and some does not fit with information you already have.

There is a birth registration for Elwyn son of William Williams and Maggie Ann Jones b. 12 Jun 1942, Llanddeusant.
Marriage 7 Nov 1936, Holyhead Registry Office - William Williams, 20, b, agricultural labourer, Cae Bach, Llanddeusant, son of Owen John Williams, farmer and Maggie Ann Jones, 20, s, Penbonc, Llanfugail, dau. of Thomas Jones, agricultural labourer.
I can find birth registration for two of Elwyn's siblings - Llewelyn and Jean.

Deaths registered on Anglesey in 1986/7 for William Williams (no middle name):
17 May 1986 age 63; d.o.b. (from FreeBMD) - 5 Apr 1923
28 Jun 1986 age 85; d.o.b. 18 Feb 1901
19 Sep 1987 age 78; d.o.b. 8 Apr 1909
Note none of these were 20 in 1936.

Birth registration:
William son of Owen John Williams and Jane Thomas 26 Aug 1916, Llanddeusant.
Using this d.o.b. it seems that William Williams' death was registered in Birkenhead:
1987 Birkenhead 37,672, d.o.b. 26AU1916 - on FreeBMD.

If you think this is correct let me know what further information you need.

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Australia / Re: Anne Phillips arrived NSW 16 Jun 1858 on the vessel Castilian
« on: Thursday 13 June 24 15:44 BST (UK)  »
Thanks maddys52, I found the newspaper cuttings very interesting.
Yes, I found the Goodwin births in Victoria yesterday and have been adding them to my tree. Ann Phillips also had a son with her second husband Joseph Quinlan.

There are a couple of public trees on Ancestry with some information on Ann Phillips' husbands and children but they are not aware of her origins in Llanberis.
I have also found that I have a DNA match with an Australian and Ann Phillips is her 2x (or 3x) GGM.

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Australia / Re: Anne Phillips arrived NSW 16 Jun 1858 on the vessel Castilian
« on: Wednesday 12 June 24 15:29 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for all replies - very helpful.

DebNZ: Given what follows it seems 'my' Anne is different.

cupoflife: The marriage to John Goodwin in 1858 and the birth of Robert Goodwin in 1866 could well refer to 'my' Anne Phillips. Could there be any supporting evidence available other than through buying copy certificates? Where does the marriage date - 20/10/1858 - come from?

Debra/Dundee: From Victoria records I see that John Goodwin died in 1873 aged 38, he was born FLIN (which means?) and his father was Edward. Very helpfully it gives his spouse as Ann Phillips.
Anne Goodwin then marries Alfred Quinton in Victoria in 1874. (No other details)
Ann Quinton died Melb Hosp in 1884 age 48. Her father's name of Robert Phillips is useful supporting evidence.
Find a Grave does not seem to have any of these burials.

Sadly, there is a death (6587/1874) of Robert Goodwin age 8 in Victoria records. He has father John and mother Ann Phillips.

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Australia / Anne Phillips arrived NSW 16 Jun 1858 on the vessel Castilian
« on: Tuesday 11 June 24 17:14 BST (UK)  »
Anne, the daughter of Robert Thomas Phillips and Ellin (nee) Evans, was baptised at Llanberis, Caernarvonshire on 13 Mar 1836. Her illegitimate son John was baptised 24 Oct 1853, also at Llanberis.
John was raised by his grandparents, Anne travelled alone to Australia.

I can find no records for Anne after her arrival in Australia can anyone help? I'm particularly interested in finding any of her descendants.

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Anglesey / Re: Hugh Hughes of Anglesey
« on: Monday 25 September 23 16:54 BST (UK)  »
Google Books has a copy of "I am a Government Man to Mr Scott of Glendon - Hugh Hughes: From Convict to Free Man" by David Cragg (2015, Australia) which details Hugh Hughes' full story - the theft of the two horses, his flight from Anglesey, the arrest, trial and transportation to New South Wales. The final approx. 170 pages describes his life in Australia. But the book has little to say about Hugh Hughes' family, only that he was born on Anglesey in 1804 to Hugh Hughes, farmer and his wife Margaret nee Prytherick (i.e. Prytherch or Prydderch) and that he was a cousin of William Prytherick of Ty Mawr, Llantrisant, the owner of one of the stolen horses.

As mentioned by Tall Al above patronymic naming was common in rural areas of Anglesey in the early 19th century so we cannot assume that Hugh Hughes' father had surname Hughes.
Prytherch is a much rarer name than Hughes so I've looked for information on his mother Margaret Prytherch.

There was a marriage 18 Dec 1804 at Llangristiolus between Hugh Prichard (Prichd.) and Margaret Prydderch, both otp and ipo Hugh Prytherch and John Knowles.
Then Hugh, son of Hugh & Margaret Prichard of Tyddyn Isaf was baptised at Llangristiolus, 10 Feb 1805. I think this may be the Hugh Hughes we are discussing.

These are the baptisms of some of Hugh's siblings:
Richard, 8 Nov 1807, Llangristiolus - son of Hugh Prichard & Margt his wife.
Anne, 15 Nov 1812, Llangefni - dau. of Hugh Prichd of the parish of Llangristiolus by Margt his wife.
John, 23 Apr 1815, Llangristiolus - son of Hugh & Margaret Prichard, Tyddyn Isaf, farmer.
Mary, 20 Apr 1817, Llangristiolu - dau. of Hugh & Margaret Prichard, Tyddyn Isaf, labourer.
Richard, 23 Apr 1820, Llangristiolus - son of Hugh & Margaret Prichard, Tyddyn Isaf, farmer.
Robert, 12 Mar 1824, Llangristiolus - son of Hugh & Margaret Prichard, late of Tyddyn Isaf now of Llangefni, carrier.

In the 1841 census Hugh and Margaret Prichard, both aged 60, and their son John are at Glan Hwfa St. Llangefni, together with Jane and Margaret, both 30, who may be two other daughters. Hugh is descibed as a coal carrier.

I'm not sure that this is all convincing, but maybe it helps?




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Anglesey / Re: Williamns Family in Anglesy
« on: Saturday 18 March 23 12:58 GMT (UK)  »
Listed below are some of the brothers of Margaret Ellen Williams. This information comes from files of transcribed Anglesey birth and death registrations.

All the birth registrations have father William Williams, mother Margaret Williams. The deaths describe the child as a child of William Williams, the informant was either William Williams, father or Margaret Williams, mother.

Owen b.1 Jun 1882, Llangadwaladr; d. 17 Jan 1883, Minffordd, Llangadwaladr age 7 months.
Hugh b.28 Apr 1884, Llangadwaladr; d. 20 Jul 1889, Gatehouse, Rhyddgaer, Llangeinwen,age 5.
William b. 23 Feb 1886, Llangadwaladr
Owen b. 18 Jan 1888, Llangadwaladr
John b. 6 Jun 1889, Llangeinwen
Richie (Richard) b. 26 Aug 1890, Llangadwaladr
Hugh b. 24 May 1892, Llangristiolus; d. 2 Oct 1893, Tai'n coed, Llangristiolus, age 16 months.
Robert b. 24 Jun 1893, Llangristiolus
Thomas b. 19 May 1897, Llangristiolus; d. 21 Jun 1897, Ty Dora, Llangristiolus, age 32 days.
Samuel b. 8 Mar 1901, Llangristiolus
Thomas Hugh b. 7 Jan 1904, Llangristiolus
Evan b. 14 Nov 1906, Llangristiolus; d. 8 Oct 1907, Ty'n Beudy, Llangristiolus, age 10 months.

Quite a few still missing!

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Anglesey / Re: THOMAS 1885 from Llangefni, Anglesey - No trace of birth or parents
« on: Monday 16 January 23 12:54 GMT (UK)  »
I haven't found a suitable marriage on Anglesey for Ann Owen/John Thomas either but there is a civil/non-conformist marriage in the Bangor district (O,N,D qtr 1883 Bangor 11b, 888) which could be them.
By the way I think the Richard Thomas you mention from the 1901 census in Liverpool is a brother to John Hugh Thomas, so uncle rather than brother to Owen Hugh Thomas. Richard was born 6 Nov 1867, Llangefni to Hugh Thomas & Ellen Jones.

I looked at this family when I was trying to understand a DNA match I have (with a descendant of Mary Ellen Thomas, Owen Hugh's half sister). I didn't find the connection.

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Anglesey / Re: THOMAS 1885 from Llangefni, Anglesey - No trace of birth or parents
« on: Monday 16 January 23 10:20 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
From a file of birth registrations on Anglesey, Owen Hugh Thomas was born 25 Jan 1885 at Llangefni, the son of John Hugh Thomas and Ann Owen. His brother John Richard Thomas was also born Llangefni 21 Sep 1886.
John Richard Thomas died 28 May 1887 at Llangefni. His death registration describes him as 8 months old, the son of John Hugh Thomas a bill poster.
Anne Thomas died 30 Jun 1890 at Llangefni. She was the wife of town crier John Thomas.

John Hugh Thomas remarried 24 May 1892 at Dinas Chapel Llangefni:
John Hugh Thomas, 29, widower, postman of Church St, Llangefni, son of Hugh William Thomas, independant preacher (deceased) & Mary Roberts, 22, High St, Llangefni, dau of Richard Roberts, platelayer.
I know of two of their children:
Mary Ellen Thomas b. Llangefni 17 Feb 1893
John Richard Thomas b. Llangefni 5 Apr 1894, d. 2 Aug 1894

I believe the following is the birth registration for John Hugh Thomas:
Born 18 Feb 1863, Llangefni - John son of Hugh Thomas and Ellen Jones. The 1871 census for the family at Church St, Llangefni shows a number of John's siblings and his mother Ellen was born at Pwllheli.




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The Common Room / Re: Birth Certificate query
« on: Saturday 17 September 22 10:01 BST (UK)  »
I suspect he was not the father as he is not mentioned on the certificate. And because the mother subsequently had a number of children with a second man. The first child believed the second man was his father until he saw a copy of his birth certificate.

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