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Waterford / Re: Lalor Confusion
« on: Thursday 06 March 14 09:20 GMT (UK)  »
Poulnagunoge is just over the county boundary between Tipperary and Waterford.  But they were literally on the Mountain overlooking Clonmel Town (Poulnagunogue is a little road off to the right as you drive up the "Mountain Road" out of Clonmel).  Therefore they are registered in Co. Waterford for things like Deaths and Griffiths Valuations but marriages, baptisms etc were all done in Clonmel. 

Many of the families in that area are still there since at least 1800.  My uncle still lives there with many of the same fields you can see his great grandfather had in 1850.  In fact in 1800 my great great grandfather was born and his birth record shows Catherine Lalor as his mother. Today my uncle's neighbours are still the Lawlors and we are considered related (eventhough it goes back to 1800). 

Therefore if the Lawlors were there since at least 1800 and you are looking at records for the Lalor's in Poulnagunoge in the 1850s-70s and finding the same names you could well be looking at cousins who have the same firstnames because they are family names.  I do recall my father talking about people in the area and referring to them by nicknames and he told me that was because they had the same names so nicknames were used to identify them.  I'm pretty sure that was the Lawlors.

Therefore you may not be able to make sense of the records from a distance because the names and addresses will be so similar and the family have been in the area for so long.  But it is not all bad news.  You may be able to contact some of the Lawlors still living there and see if they can make sense of it all for you.

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Tipperary / Re: Lalor confusion
« on: Thursday 06 March 14 08:31 GMT (UK)  »
And I think this is a re-opening of a topic from a month ago http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=653217.0

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Tipperary / Re: Lawlors/Lalors
« on: Monday 02 December 13 10:52 GMT (UK)  »
I'm trying to find more information on my Lalor/Lawlor side.  My 2nd great grandmother, Mary Lawlor was born in 1861 in St. Peter & Paul's Parish, in Waterford. Her parents were Walter Lalor and Anne (Mary) Madden.  Mary Lawlor married John Lawless in 1887 in Tipperary.  The marriage certificate stated that Walter already had passed. 

Walter & Anne were married on 2/6/1855 in Kilsheelan, Waterford.

I went onto rootsireland.ie and was able to figure out Mary's siblings: Anne, Ellen, Bridget, Margaret (Minnie), Thomas, Catherine, Richard, John, Ann & Honora.  Some were born in Waterford and some in Tipperary.   Through ancestry.com, I believe Ann moved to MA and got married to a Daniel Finn.  I believe her sister, Bridget came over to MA too, as I found her death notice and listed her parents, as well as her immigration papers.  Minnie Lawlor married Patrick Fitzgerald, who also came over to the MA area.  I can only assume this is the same family. 

Also on rootsireland, I found a birth certificate for a Walter Lawlor born 4/2/1810 in Tipperary and died on 11/11/1872 in Poulnagunoge, Co. Tipperary, Ireland, with the informant being Anne.

I recently got into contact with a lady who thinks we have the same lineage.  She sent me a document that her Walter married a Nancy and had listed some of the same children I found.  I just can't connect the dots with 100% accuracy.

Mary Lawless (Lawlor) my 2nd great grandmother, died in Clonmel in April 1940. 

I was hoping someone maybe had some information on this family?

My Great Great Grandfather was born in 1800 and Catherine LALOR was his mother's maiden name. They were farmers and lived in Poulnagunoge. In fact some of their descendants still live on the same land in Poulnagunoge.  The Lawlors also still live in Poulnagunogue but I don't know much about that branch (other than Catherine Lalor was my G-G-G-Grand mother and it was always said we were related to them but we had to go back to 1800 to find the connection).  Lots of the families from that time are still living in the area and often on the same land.  If you look up the Tithe allotments, Griffith's valuations, etc I'd say you'll find info on the Lalors.  Look up the Waterford County Council website.   Under their family history section you will find death records. That is amazingly detailed. If you search for Lawlor I expect you will find all related records.  You will have to click on the individual records and see if they were in Poulnagunoge. Bit of a pain that the records returned will be all Lalors in Waterford but you get through them fairly quickly.

You are going to find the records straddle Waterford and Tipperary because they are right on the border between the two counties and they live the hills literally overlooking Clonmel town.  Births and Marriages seemed to be registered in Clonmel and therefore Tipperary while Deaths and land rental/ownership were registered in Waterford.

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Waterford / Re: Flynn / Clonmel
« on: Friday 03 September 10 10:21 BST (UK)  »
I've looked through my tree and I don't think so.  Do you have any other details about her?

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Tipperary / Re: Bagwell Estate, Marlfield,Clonmel
« on: Friday 03 September 10 10:10 BST (UK)  »
By the way if you are interested you will find a picture of the estate your great grandparents worked on here: http://www.padraigharrington.com/the_marlbrook.php

There were plans to rename it from Marlfield House to Marlbrook and turn it into a golf course but the economic collapse has put all that on hold (apparently there is already a Marlfield golf course somewhere hence the name change).

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Waterford / Re: Flynn / Clonmel
« on: Thursday 25 March 10 07:15 GMT (UK)  »
I know it's been 5 years since you posted this but I only recently started to research my family history.  Are you still interested in Flynns in Clonmel.

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