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US Lookup Requests / Re: rachel brown martin - passenger list - england to usa
« on: Wednesday 16 February 11 11:16 GMT (UK)  »
I've looked on the freecen site in 1841 - and no luck finding the family - although maybe the indexing for this isnt complete?

I think I've found Rachel's younger sister birth - at least it gives us a suggestion of their religion...

Is it possible that the births of the other children just were not registered?  I know there was no statutory system till 1855...

Name:    Mary Martin
Gender:    Female
Baptism/Christening Date:    07 May 1843
Baptism/Christening Place:    MT PLEASANT-PRESBYTERIAN,LIVERPOOL,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date:    25 Mar 1843
Birthplace:    
Death Date:    
Name Note:    
Race:    
Father's Name:    James Martin
Father's Birthplace:    
Father's Age:    
Mother's Name:    Margaret Greaves
Mother's Birthplace:    
Mother's Age:    
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:    C01994-1
System Origin:    England-ODM
Source Film Number:    87974
Reference Number:

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US Lookup Requests / Re: rachel brown martin - passenger list - england to usa
« on: Wednesday 16 February 11 01:31 GMT (UK)  »
All the marriage rego states is "Also James Martine in Riddeingi (?) and Margaret Grieve were proclaimed for the last time and married on the 16th instant February 1835".  So no clues there unfortunately.  I found this marriage rego in ScotlandsPeople.

The only way I know that Margaret and James were Rachel's parents was her statement on her marriage certificate, on her death certificate.  Both of these documents, along with the 1850 census indicate that Rachel was born in 1837.

I'm not sure where to search the 1841 census of England - so no, I havnt dont that yet.  Any ideas on where to search that?

Thanks!

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US Lookup Requests / Re: rachel brown martin - passenger list - england to usa
« on: Tuesday 15 February 11 12:07 GMT (UK)  »


Thanks so much for all of these bits of information!  US research is a completely new field for me - so the castlegarden site is a great tip off!

I had assumed they sailed from England simply because the youngest children had been born there... I assumed they must have lived in Scotland, then England, then from there sailed to the US then to Australia.  But nothing to say they didnt sail from Scotland - I'll give that a try! 

Thank you!

I had wondered about the older child and the number of marriage James may have had.  I wondered, with the absence of Margaret in the 1850 census, whether she had died when they were still in Scotland - but I found no death record.  Apparently she (Margaret Grieve) was the mother of the youngest Mary - maybe Margaret died in England? 

And I wonder whether the only reason I can't find the birth rego for Rachel is simply due to her being baptised in a different, breakaway church, of which records didnt make it to ScotlandsPeople? 

Too many possibilities - so frustrating!  :)

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US Lookup Requests / rachel brown martin - passenger list - england to usa
« on: Sunday 13 February 11 06:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I know that my ancestor Rachel Brown Martin was born about 1837, and I know her father was James Martin, mother probably Margaret Grieve.

She had a whole range of brothers and sisters I think (from 1850 USA census I believe):
James Martin aged 38 married born Scotland
Janet Martin  15, born Scotland
Rachael Martin   13 born Scotland
Mathew Martin   13 born Scotland
James Martin   10 born England
Mary Martin   7 born England
William Martin   24 born Scotland
James Martin   20 Born Scotland

James Martin and Margaret Grieve married in Dumfries, Scotland in 1835 - I have that marriage cert.  No chilluns registered in Scotland that I can find though?  Despite the census entry saying otherwise.

They must have travelled to the USA (settled in Maine) between 1835 (earliest) to 1843 (latest) and 1850, and then Rachel and her siblings left for Australia on the Ocean Steed in 1853/54.

Does anyone have access to USA incoming and/or outgoing passenger lists (from New York I'd say) which might show the movements of members of this family?  If I could determine that Rachel travelled TO the USA, I would feel more comfortable that she really was born in Scotland.

Any help regarding the US side of this story would be so very helpful! 

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Patrick Whyt... and what else?
« on: Saturday 12 February 11 22:55 GMT (UK)  »
Wow!  This is great guys (particularly the father's name) - and those out-of-use words regarding graveyards, G2, well - I didnt have a hope in hell.

I dont think I even got all 5 columns when I downloaded this image from Scotland's people...  or maybe my viewer was playing up.   I might have to go back and try again for more information...

Once again - thankyou!  I've certainly got some useful info from your translations.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Patrick Whyt... and what else?
« on: Saturday 12 February 11 08:35 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

I've just downloaded the attached burial rego from ScotlandsPeople - looking at Patrick Whyt.  Beyond 89 year old, I can't read another thing! 

Can anyone else translate what the rest of the text against Mr Whyt's name?  I'm hoping it contains some info to confirm/deny if he is part of my family...

Many thanks to everyone for any help at all - muchly grateful.

Alli

* Moderator comment:  image cropped.  Only a small portion of copyright images may be posted for recognition purposes  *

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Scotland / Re: Why can't I find this marriage? William Barr and Margaret Borthwick
« on: Monday 10 January 11 02:57 GMT (UK)  »


Sancti - thanks!  This was the sort of detail I wasnt aware of and makes all the difference.  Thanks again!

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Scotland / Re: Why can't I find this marriage? William Barr and Margaret Borthwick
« on: Sunday 09 January 11 23:38 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks guys.

Sorry - I should have made it clearer. I did find the corresponding birth registrations in SP for those mentioned in WorldConnect.  They verify all the information posted on WC. 

So now I just want to verify the marriage actually occured.    I can't understand why it wouldnt appear in SP.  I wonder whether it occured as part of a small, lesser known church which doesnt appear in SPs records?  I dont know how to check that kind of thing...


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Scotland / Re: Why can't I find this marriage? William Barr and Margaret Borthwick
« on: Sunday 09 January 11 06:08 GMT (UK)  »
As an update, I have found information on WorldConnect which leads me to believe that Margaret Borthwick was baptised 2 February 1792, to James Borthwick and Marion Thomson, in Kirkliston, West Lothian.

William Barr was born 14 March 1791, to John Barr and Agnes Akeford, in Ratho, Midlothian.

I have found the birth registrations for both of these.

According to the same WorldConnect site - the marriage ocured 1810 in Kirkliston, West Lothian, Scotland.   But I still can't find this marriage rego anyway in SP.   Is there something I'm missing?


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