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England / Re: Questions on Ancestors in England 1600's
« on: Tuesday 17 April 12 15:25 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for the links and the information,  I will have to keep an eye online and on ebay for pictures of the tokens, and see what people are trying to get for the tokens themselves, probably way more then I can afford, but to actually have one of Joshua's tokens would be amazing.

I havent made much progress in tying Joshua Holland to his Pennsylvania descendants.  The biggest thing I have found is that Thomas Holland who died in Philadelphia on 10 Sept 1755, leaving a large family, in his will says that he wants his lands in Chatham that were given to him by his father, be given to his son.  Now if only i could find out who his father was.....

I love the mystery but I always hope its a mystery that can be solved, sometimes the records for this period just dont exist.

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England / Re: Questions on Ancestors in England 1600's
« on: Tuesday 17 April 12 02:22 BST (UK)  »
I tried typing the information into Google books and also in regular google both for ebay and without and couldnt find anything but Joshua's name in an index that gave no information

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England / Re: Questions on Ancestors in England 1600's
« on: Wednesday 07 April 10 16:28 BST (UK)  »
I know exactly what you mean about printed resources in USA.  When I first started doing my families genealogies I would find information online, or I would find a complied family tree that looked great.  I soon realized that many of them contain many errors and unless there were reputeable sources included to not really trust the information.  I have seen connections that arent even possible,  ie a mother giving birth 2 years after she was born. 

Some people make huge assumptions too.  For example this May I am going to place a grave marker on my ancestor Benjamin Holland born apx 1758, previously to my research he was listed in records as having been buried in Lower Merion Friends Meeting House,  i eventually found several documents that proved he was actually buried at Lower Merion Baptist Church cemetery.    Apparently because he had buried several infants in the Quaker cemetery they archivists assumed he was buried there too. He was an American Revolutionary war veteran and finding his actual grave we can finally but a VA marker on his grave. 

Thank you all for the links and information before i posted on this chat all i really knew about Joshua Holland was that he had bought land in Pennsylvania and had died in 1690.

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England / Re: Questions on Ancestors in England 1600's
« on: Wednesday 07 April 10 04:16 BST (UK)  »
Found some more information about Anthony Tomkins and Elizabeth Holland on the Pennsylvania Side of things. They are mentioned in a compiled book of the Tomkins/Tompkins family in America.  This is what it says

Anthony Tomkins and Elizibeth Holland daughter of Joshua Holland, Quaker
had of Horsleydown
  Joshua b.  d 1726 Burlington, NJ
  John b  d Dec 10 1744 in Penn
  Robert b 1675  d May 17 1727 in Penn
  Anthony  apparently only one to remain in England
  Elizabeth b d Oct 1745 in Penn


Also some i found on Francis Jackson and Hannah Holland

their son Francis Jackson died on 31st day 3rd Month 1692 aged about 5 years

I also found a daughter Hannah Jackson died in 4th day 11 Month 1691 aged about 6 months
also a son Benjamin Jackson aged about 4 months died  18th day 6th month 1690
the birth of Joshua Jackson is noted in Middlesex reords as being 7th day 1st month 1686

all of the death records have place of records listed as being Surrey and burial in Cho.. Alley

Found Hannah Jackson's death, it says she died at Plaistow in County of Essex on 12th day 9th month 1692 of the consumption aged about 26 years

The Plaistow entry is especialy interesting because of John Holland's will mentioning it.

I found all of this on the website TheGenealogist.co.uk, very handy site. Even if i had to fork over a little cash to use it

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England / Re: Questions on Ancestors in England 1600's
« on: Tuesday 06 April 10 00:44 BST (UK)  »
Catharina,

Thank you for the wonderful information about Joshua.  That really tells me something about the man that he was.  It is a little disheartening to find out i might never know his wifes name, or who his children married.   I think i have tracked down his grandson John Holland in Chester, Pennsylvania, he arrived in PA abt 1710 and went back to England where he married Mary Somerford in a Quaker Meeting House,  i dont have my notes right here so I dont have the Meeting Houses name offhand. John then went back to Chester PA with his new bride.  I have been trying to find any indication of John Sr's other children or his marriage but of course nothing yet, I know his wifes name was Maria, the closest record i have found so far is a mariner John Holland and Mary Kinnet marriage in Stepney in 1686.  Anthony Tomkins and Elizebeth Holland did take up a 1,000 acres of Joshuas land in Bucks County but i have been unable to track them any further.  I wonder where Thanks Holland's life took him, and I also wonder since Joshua in his will only mentioned Francis Jackson, not his daughter Hannah, and he mentionioned his granddaughter Mary Slany but not her mother, whether those two daughters had passed allready.....

Something to ponder, I love the information, thank you again i love Genealogy!

Wayne

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England / Re: Questions on Ancestors in England 1600's
« on: Tuesday 09 February 10 20:41 GMT (UK)  »
Just found that link myself, interesting little read on the Tilden family, plus adds Stepney to the list of places to Holland's liked to live

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England / Re: Questions on Ancestors in England 1600's
« on: Tuesday 09 February 10 18:41 GMT (UK)  »
Again thanks, so, so far i have the family looking like this

Joshua Holland married unknown, 14-15 June 1682 bought land from William Penn, he is said to be a mariner, Chatham, County of Kent
  children, 16 May written 26 May proved 1690 Joshua's will states he is from Shadwell, Middlesex
     John Holland    19 May 1683 by power of attorney from father Joshua sold 500 acres of land to Morris Lewellyn of Pennsylvania, has a will written on 29 May 1695, the will is shown 15 April 1720 in Pennsylvania by his widow Maria, son John, vintner of London and daughter Maria in Pennsylvania the will is only referred to and not what it actually says, he is referred to being from Pleaston *possibly Plaistow*, Essex
    Thanks Holland married Hannah Tilden on 27 Jan 1686 at St James Dukes Place, London
    Hannah Holland married Francis Jackson on 26 May 1685 in Devonshire House Society of Friends, London.  School Hayle Lane of Radcliffe is mentioned as her and fathers address
    Elisabeth Holland married Anthony Tomkins, they took up 1,000 acres of land in Bucks County, Pennsylvania
    unknown Holland married unknown Slany, they had daughter Mary Slany mentioned in Joshuas will dated 1690

and I think that is it but in a couple of days the puzzle has really started to come together, thank you all for your trememdous help

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England / Re: Questions on Ancestors in England 1600's
« on: Tuesday 09 February 10 05:49 GMT (UK)  »
You guys were right!  and Google is an amazing tool.  I googled "Francis Jackson" married daughter of "Joshua Holland" and this is what I found
someone posted 2 years ago

I have found a
> reference to a Joshuah Holland - a mariner - as father of the bride Hannah
> Holland of School Hayle Lane in Radcliff, Joshuah being of the same
> address. She married Francis Jackson of Swithins Lane, London, at
> Devonshire House, on 26th day of 5th mo. called March 1685. The marriage
> was withnessed by Thanks Holland and an Elizabeth Witheridge! with the
> consent of parents and relations, although Joshuah did not appear to have
> signed the certificate. Reference RG6/1437> I couldnt find any of the
> other names you mentioned.> Look forward to seeing you at Reading.> Liz
> Butler

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England / Re: Questions on Ancestors in England 1600's
« on: Tuesday 09 February 10 04:55 GMT (UK)  »
That definently makes sense,  from what I can tell of the will Joshua doesnt go to alot of detail in explaining how some people are related.  He mentions his daughter Elizabeth Holland living in Pennsylvania, what he fails to mention is she is married to Anthony Tomkins and living on 1,000 acres of his land in Pennsylvania at that time, I learned that in some Pennsylvania archives.  He also mentions his granddaughter Mary Slany,  I would think that Slany is her married name, but thankfully he does say that she can only get her inheritance once she reaches 21 or is married, so Joshua helped me out a little there.   Its really interesting trying to figure out exactly what someone meant in something they wrote 300+ years ago. 

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