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Canada / Re: Jamieson Bone, Belleville Ontario
« on: Saturday 11 January 14 16:24 GMT (UK)  »
I just happened by chance to find this series of posts today.

Herbert Tom Bone, brother of Jamieson, was my grandfather. I was interested to read where the cottage was located, as I have a copy of a photo taken there of the Jamieson Family and my grandparents when they visited in 1954. My grandparents had moved to Dover, England in the 1930s.

I moved back to Scotland in the 1970s and have been researching the Bone family for over 20 years. I think that the posting from "Alibone" refers to me.

The tannery in Courthill Street, Dalry, Ayrshire was started by their grandfather David Bone (born in Dalry in May 1825). The business ran into financial problems at the beginning of the 20th century. David Bone started as an apprentice Currier in Beith before moving back to Dalry. His father was also David (born in Parish of Maybole in 1793) and went to work in Dalry as a shoemaker.

Please ask if you want any further information.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Industrial Schools
« on: Wednesday 26 October 11 19:28 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
As your ancestor was only 9 years I am reasonable certain that he was sent to the Paisley Industrial School at Thornly Park, Paisley. The Industrial School had moved to new premises in Thornly Park in 1910 (the new premises were certified on1 June 1910). The previous premises were located on Albion Street, Paisley that had been the location from 1870. Prior to this Paisley Ragged School and Indusrtial School was on New Sneddon Street, Paisley. This was the Ragged School that Robin Gibb's ancestor attended.

Kibble School was classed as a Reformatory from the end of the 19th century.

Hope this helps,
Andrew

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Perthshire / Re: John Anderson RNVR Auchterarder
« on: Thursday 17 June 10 20:48 BST (UK)  »
Going back quite a few posts here is some more information about the car in the photograph in Stanley Park Vancouver.

I have been in contact with the person who looks after the Albion archives and he has said the following:

"The photo is of  an Albion A3. The gabled bonnet, which pre-dates Rolls Royce is a give away. The front of the radiator would have had an oval Albion badge at the top and an Albion scroll of brass fixed farther down on the grille. The coachwork could have been by one of several builders over here, or built onto a bare chassis in Canada, as coachbuilders were plentiful enough in the carriage trade.

The A3 was built from 1903 till 1915, although the production of car chassis ended in 1913. Various versions were produced, longer ones  usual for lorries. The first were only 12 hp but 1904 saw an expansion with the move to a new factory on ground level,  and increased to16hp, firstly 4 to 7 seaters, and later, 7- 15 seaters, although these were probably mainly charabancs.  The radiator frame changed over the years, later ones had blue enanmelled badges and the front had a more decorative edge, scalloped in the corners, but of course we cannot see this in the photo. Later ones were electroplated rather than polished brass.  So, between 1904 and 1913 is about as close as we can get."


From the date when the photo was taken the car must have been from 1910. I also made a final visit to the Transport Museum in Glasgow before it closed prior to moving to its new premises. The cars are apparently going to be mounted on the walls of the new museum!

Anyway I have attached a photo of the Albion A3 Model 16 horse power Tourer built in 1910 that the museum owns.


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Perthshire / Re: John Anderson RNVR Auchterarder
« on: Thursday 17 June 10 19:51 BST (UK)  »
This is all fascinating to read. I was not expecting the Diary to contain so much information.

As we have now reached St Vincent I thought that I would add the information I found from the Lloyds newspaper some years ago.

Shipping Gazette & Lloyd's List Weekly Summary
3 Jan 1896 to 28 Jan 1916
continued as
Lloyds List (and Shipping Gazette)
18 Feb 1916 to 29 Aug 1934

24 February 1911 p.118
   British Empire (s) St. Vincent C.V. Feb 17 3:30pm
B.E., British steamer put in with defective machinery; high-pressure cylinder cover broken, high-pressure piston broken. Has been surveyed and it is recommended cannot be repaired, will have to wait machinery from England.

   St. Vincent Feb 18
B.E.s has been surveyed. High-pressure cylinder cover broken, high-pressure piston rod bent, can be straightened. High-pressure slide or piston valve broken or out of order, feed pipes burst. Surveyors report the vessel cannot be repaired temporarily to complete voyage. New high-pressure piston, high-pressure slide or piston valve must be obtained Europe. Other minor repairs, will repair here. S.A.

17 March 1911 p.162
Further Additional Casualties.
B.E.(s) St Vincent (CV) March 16 British Empire (s) Vessel sailed. Repairs have been completed. S.A.


The s British Empire was sold in about 1916/7 and was renamed s Solar.

27 December 1918 p.3
SOLAR – Cherbourg 20 Steamer Solar entered dry-dock 8:30 am. Thirty degrees list righted in docking. Finished docking 5 pm. Survey tomorrow – Salvage Association Surveyor.


Nothing further found searching up to May 1919. Nothing found previous to 27 December. But details of casualties reported increased once WWI finishes in Nov 1918. Up until then only about 100 casualties reported per week but after increased to about 50 per week.


S.A. in earlier reports stands for Salvage Association.

I visited the docks at Grangemouth some months ago to see if I could take some photos. Unfortunately it was not possible to get access to the docks that are still in use due to security reasons. However the old docks constructed for use with the Forth Clyde Canal in the early part of the 19th century could be accessed. I have attached a couple of photos of the dock where the s British Empire could have left from. The Greenock & Grangemouth Dockyard Company, who repaired the coaster, had a fitting out facility on this dock. If the s British Empire did not leave from this dock then she would have left from the newer Carron Dock, this dock is beyond the low bridge in one of the photos.

I will now see if I can get any information on the engine, perhaps even a picture or drawing. When the coaster was built in 1902 at Garston, near Liverpool, the engine was supplied by Ross & Duncan of Glasgow.

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Perthshire / Re: John Anderson RNVR Auchterarder
« on: Monday 29 March 10 16:53 BST (UK)  »
I was at the National Archives of Scotland in Edinburgh last week and was looking at the Kirk Session Minutes for Blackford quickly. I found the following baptisms of children to John Anderson & Margaret Eadie at Gleneagles House,
William baptised 15 Jan 1857
Mary Stewart baptised 2 June 1858
John baptised 10 May 1860
Margaret baptised 29 March 1864

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The attached Burden gravestone is in the "Valley Cemetery". The descriptions of the cemeteries adjacent to what is now called the Holy Rude Church are given in a recent publication by Stirling Council Library Service. Unfortunately copyright issues prevent me from posting the layouts of the Mar & Valley Cemeteries and the Stirling (Old) Cemetery given in this publication. The gravestone erected by Ann Eadie is in the Stirling (Old) Cemetery. In the 19th century this was referred to as the "graveyard". The layout of these cemeteries in the 19th century can be seen on the large scale town plans for Stirling on the National Library of Scotland website at http://www.nls.uk/maps/townplans/stirling.html


Prior to church being called the Holy Rude Church in the the 20th century it was actually two churches, one for the East Parish and one for the West Parish.

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Perthshire / Re: John Anderson RNVR Auchterarder
« on: Thursday 21 January 10 21:55 GMT (UK)  »
Here is some more information about s. British Empire. Unfortunately I am unable to include the photo as I do not own the copyright to this from a newspaper). The ship remained as s British Empire after its arrival in Vancouver.

I would be delighted to see more from John Anderson's journal of the voyage from Grangemouth to Vancouver. I have always been surprised that the ship, which was basically a coastal steamer, sailing to Vancouver via Cape Horn. The Panama Canal was still being built in 1911.

S.British Empire

This is the only photo found of the ship. Following collision in the Manchester Ship Canal on 23 May 1910 the ship was sold by auction for £2,300 to the Greenock & Grangemouth Dockyard Company Ltd on 14 July 1910. The ship received a certificate of seaworthiness on 21 November 1910 and was sold to William Eadie of 434 Richard Street,Vancouver, BC, Canada on 19 January 1911. William Eadie appoints himself Managing Owner and owns all 64 shares in the ship.

The ship was purchased using a mortgage from Greenock & Grangemouth Dockyard at 6%. On 20 November 1913 a mortgage is secured from The Clydesdale Bank Ltd, of Glasgow, Scotland to pay the amount due to the Greenock & Grangemouth Dockyard.

Daily News 21st Feb 1911 (Vancouver BC)
Steamer British Empire in Distress

"The steamer British Empire, which is on the way from Grangemouth, England for the Northern Steamship company’s coasting service in northern ports, has put into St. Vincent with her machinery badly damaged and will have to remain there until new machinery is sent from England. The British Empire was purchased by the Northern Steamship company to replace the company’s steamer Petriana sold to the Canadian Northern Pacific Fisheries company and is to be named Petriana on arrival, a new name being found for the whaling company’s steamer. When the Canadian Northern Pacific Fisheries company bought the vessel the name did not go with the purchase. The British Empire left Grangemouth on January 21st for Victoria. It is not known when she will be able to proceed."

Lloyds Register 1911/12
The following details are given:
   Length 167.5 ft., Breadth 26.6 ft., Depth 11.5 ft.
   Tonnage Gross 576, Under Deck 407, Net 255.
Built in 1902 by Garston Graving Dock 7 Shipbuilding Company, near Liverpool.


Sources of information:
1.   Greater Manchester County Record Office
B/10/3/574 “Sinking of S.S. British Empire”
2.   Falkirk Archives, Callendar House, Falkirk
CE68/11/3 Customs Records for Grangemouth


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Perthshire / Re: John Anderson RNVR Auchterarder
« on: Thursday 21 January 10 21:35 GMT (UK)  »
Finally here is photo of the side of the A3 16HP Tourer

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Perthshire / Re: John Anderson RNVR Auchterarder
« on: Thursday 21 January 10 21:31 GMT (UK)  »
Here are two photos showing the chain drive to the rear wheel of each car.

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