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Dumfriesshire / Re: DRUMMOND and CREIGHTON, Annan area
« on: Friday 12 February 10 17:50 GMT (UK)  »
Christeen, I received that book re: Annan's Old Burial Ground from you.  I'll be sending you a return letter shortly.  Thank you!  That was very nice of you to send that.

JERRY

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Ross & Cromarty / Re: Are the names Patrick and Peter interchangeable?
« on: Sunday 31 January 10 01:08 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Monica, I'll check it out!

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Ross & Cromarty / Re: Are the names Patrick and Peter interchangeable?
« on: Saturday 30 January 10 19:10 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Dave!  That's what I needed to know! / JERRY alias Oso

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Ross & Cromarty / Are the names Patrick and Peter interchangeable?
« on: Saturday 30 January 10 18:54 GMT (UK)  »
I have an ancestor, Peter McKenzie, who sometimes seems to appear on census info as Patrick.  I have been told that Peter and Patrick are so similar in Gaelic that the two names are sometimes interchanged or are synonymous with each other.  Can anyone clear that up for me?  He was from a pretty remote area of Scotland (Applecross, Torridon) so I suspect Gaelic was still in general use during his early lifetime (1820).

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Dumfriesshire / Re: DRUMMOND and CREIGHTON, Annan area
« on: Wednesday 27 January 10 19:33 GMT (UK)  »
Christeen, I accidentally deleted your last message but not before I got the location of where I could get the book you mentioned.  I'll contact them from here.  Much obliged, and not to sound like a broken record, but thanks, again.

JERRY
Lancaster, California

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Dumfriesshire / Re: DRUMMOND and CREIGHTON, Annan area
« on: Wednesday 27 January 10 04:08 GMT (UK)  »
If I stumble across Potterland or potterland, I'll let you know.  Again, what can I say?  You really helped me!  I had asked someone to check that graveyard back about 2002, someone who said they'd do look-ups, and they didn't mention any Drummonds.  The trouble with all of these Williams and Davids is that trying to look them up always gets me into a discussion of William Drummond of Hawthornden or other Williams or Davids who were a lot further up the social scale than my Drummonds appear to have been.  I assume they were from the same family who descended from the Hungarian family of Andras I, the King of Hungary some 800 or so years earlier, though I can't be sure of that.  I know that a lot of MacGregors assumed the name once they were pretty much outlawed in Scotland, so maybe mine came from a source similar to that.  Hopefully, I won't go to the grave without findout out.  Take care!  Or, as they Drummonds used to say, "Gang warily!"

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Dumfriesshire / Re: DRUMMOND and CREIGHTON, Annan area
« on: Wednesday 27 January 10 03:14 GMT (UK)  »
Well, csc, I'm sorry to keep thanking you in my responses, but I think you out did yourself here.  In one swoop you have apparently moved my knowledge of my Drummond ancestry back several generations if I'm reading your info right.  For the moment only concentrating on the Williams and Davids, it appears to me that the "tree" might descend, as follows:

-Isabella Drummond, b. 1800, m. Michael McCarron;
-David Drummond, Isabella's father, 1774-1844;
-Wm. Drummond, 1738-1805 m. Mary Creighton, 1750-1829;
-David Drummond (sailmaker), 1709-1749;
-Mary (nee Graham), 1668-1717, wife of an earlier William Drummond.

Of course, I don't have a lot of proof of the above as to who fathered who, etc., but at first glance, that is how it appear to me.  Eaglesfield being there certainly seems to pinpoint that as the same family.  I still wonder why this Drummond group was in Dumfries rather than in Angus or Perth, but I'm very glad to have received your additional info.  I don't know how you got it and if there was any expense involved, please advise and I'll gladly reimburse you.  Thank you, very, very much!!!

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Dumfriesshire / Re: DRUMMOND and CREIGHTON, Annan area
« on: Tuesday 26 January 10 16:56 GMT (UK)  »
csc:

Potterlands reminds me of "Potter's Field."  Any idea what the Annan Cemetery is called or if there is also a "potter's field" around there, meaning a cemetery for indigents?  David, however, was supposed to have been a tailor in Annan so maybe he wasn't an indigent, though I do recall that he was not 100% well, having contracted something in India for which he was discharged from the army.  I had worked on this family a little bit up until 2004, but a large forest/brush fire burned a number of houses, including mine, and about ten years of genealogical work, computer and everything else I owned along with it.  I hadn't tried until recently, the "wind having been taken out of my sails" because of the fire, to duplicate any of the info I had.  I had seen an obit from somewhere in Dumfriesshire other than Annan for "Sgt. Drummond" and I know he had a wife at one time, Elizabeth Nicol, but I'm not sure whatever happened to her.  There was also a marriage at Annan between David's daughter, Isabella, and Michael (or possibly another name...record appeared erased) McCarron at an Annan church circa 1818, but all of that info was lost.  Michael McCarron was Catholic, so I assume any wedding was in a Catholic church in Annan.  I just recall from a distant Canadian cousin that he had been in the 42nd Regiment of Foot for about 23 years, from 1799 onward, but that cousin's address, etc., was lost, as well, in the fire.

James, William and Peter Drummond...okay, I'll work on that angle and see if there's any family connection.  The only child of David's (William's son) that I know of is Isabella, my ggg grandmother, who came to Canada, married name McCarron.  With an Irish surname, she is not in Donald Whyte's "Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada before Confederation."

Thank you, again, csc!  Much appreciated!

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Dumfriesshire / Re: DRUMMOND and CREIGHTON, Annan area
« on: Tuesday 26 January 10 02:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you, csc!  I hadn't heard of David's siblings and certainly not Eaglesfield, but Eaglesfield Drummond ought to be hard to miss in any further searches for the family.  I'm also a little surprised that there seem to be as many Drummonds in the Annan area, since I thought they centered around the area of Angus.  Any idea why?  Anyway, thank you very much for the response.  I'll see what I can do with those added siblings' names.

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