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Derbyshire / Re: COCKAYNES -DERBYSHIRE
« on: Saturday 04 January 20 16:14 GMT (UK)  »
I believe I have resolved the question of the identity of the shield on the seal on Caleb’s will.
If we start with the book Cockayne Memoranda by A E Cockayne (1873) there is a transcription of Caleb Cockayne’s will written 1702 on pages 129/130. At the end he lists the signatories as N A Prince, Jer Huntingdon Junior and ‘another’.
On page 170 he refers to the coat of arms on the seal after Caleb's signature as believed to be those of the Angell family of Chaddesden whose heiress married George Cockayne. On page 171 he has a drawing of the seal with the name Angell underneath.

I have looked at the original will on the Find My Past website. The third signatory is actually someone with the name Heathcote (can’t decipher the first name). The seal on the will is not that of Caleb but actually the seal of the third witness to the will. The seal is the early shield of the Heathcote family - 3 roundels with crosses on a plain silver background.

In addition I have also found (in the earlier post above) that there never was a family with the name ‘Angell’. Elizabeth was the daughter of Lawrence Aunger (will dated 1566).

So there is no real evidence that Caleb was related to Elizabeth Aunger (Angell). It was conjecture by A E Cockayne based on his mistake in thinking that the coat of arms on the seal on Caleb’s will belonged to Caleb and was that of a family called Angell. The coat of arms is that of the Heathcote family and that of the third witness to the will. There was also no family with the name Angell - it was Aunger.

This may not help with who Caleb was but does help with who he wasn't. It also clears up the identity of the family shield on the seal on Caleb's will - it was the seal of the Heathcote family - the third signatory to the will. It is the earlier shield used up until the early 1700's after which the background was ermine.

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Derbyshire / Re: COCKAYNES -DERBYSHIRE
« on: Sunday 24 November 19 12:34 GMT (UK)  »
George Cokayne of Chaddesden married Elizabeth Aunger (not Angell). She was born between 1556 and 1565, the daughter of Lawrence Aunger and Agnes Cokain. Lawrence Aunger died 1565 and his will (proved in Spondon) explains that Agnes had been married previously to a Richard Cokain and had 2 sons, Thomas and Henry, by him. Richard Cokain died 1556 but his will is missing, only an inventory survives. Agnes had surname Pegge originally. Richard Cokain is almost certainly very distantly related to the Chaddesden Cokaynes.
Thomas and Henry were therefore half brothers to Elizabeth Aunger.
How Caleb fits in is a bit of a mystery. There may be more than one Caleb Cokayne.
Andries Cockayne didn't always get things right.
Some records have George Cokayne's father - George Cokayne of Ballidon - being a son of Sir Edward Cokayne. This is definitely wrong. Dates don't agree and the Institute of Heralds also agree pointing out that had he been connected he would have appeared in visitations of Derbyshire and he doesn't.
George Cokayne of Ballidon is most likely one of the Ballidon branch but have not found out exactly where he fits in.
If I solve the Caleb mystery I will post.

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Nottinghamshire / Re: Rachel Mee
« on: Monday 18 February 13 18:37 GMT (UK)  »
Also have a look at the website http://eastmidlandsgenealogy.com/#/notts-coverage/4534966681 This site has good coverage but you do need to register and be accepted by website owner (to prevent spam etc). Lots of good stuff on this website
Keith

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Nottinghamshire / Re: Rachel Mee
« on: Monday 18 February 13 18:31 GMT (UK)  »
Have a look at http://www.ancestryhost.org/andymick/walk2b.pdf where someone has done quite a bit on Paul Brown and Rachel Mee. (page 2.4 on their charts). Paul Brown jr married Ann Mee 13 sept 1783 Eastwood. For a long time I thought I was descended from this family from Paul & Ann's son Joseph until I looked at burial records to find he was buried as an infant! Now think I might be descended from Thomas Brown (soldier) who married Martha Carlin 1st Dec 1783 at Eastwood. However can't find where Thomas might have been from.
Good luck - there are many Brown's in that area.
Keith

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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: John Wass
« on: Tuesday 23 August 11 17:29 BST (UK)  »
June
I think I might have found Albert Rawlinson's baptism on Familysearch bapt 9 march 1884 mother Ann in Ropsley. Sometimes children were baptised when they were older so this might be the one. The lincstothepast website doesn't have bapts for that year though which is a shame
keith

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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: John Wass
« on: Sunday 21 August 11 11:39 BST (UK)  »
Hi June Sandymc
Got hooked on this yesterday. Some more info:
From the lincstothepast website which is really good:
1. James Wass m Ann Rolls (BOTP -both of this parish) Ropsley 5th March 1782 witnesses Thomas Wass, John Fawlknor
2. Thomas Wass bp June 19 1822 Ropsley parents James & Elizabeth
3. James bp Oct 2 1821 Ropsley parents Wm? & Ann
4. William Wass m Ann Williamson BOTP Ropsley 10 Oct 1808 witnesses John Ellis (parish clerk I guess because his name is on several entries) & John Wass
5. Wm Wass bp 26 Oct 1783 Ropsley son of Thomas & Theodosia
6. Thomas bp 24 Aug 1785 Ropsley son Thomas & Theodosia
7. John bp oct 7 1781 son of Thomas & Theodosia
8. John Wass & Catherine Stanhope married 18 May 1799 Ropsley
9. Thomas Wass m Theodosia Doughty BOTP Ropsley 14 Nov 1799 wit Thomas Rawlinson & John Ellis (parish clerk?)
10. Theodosia Doughty bp Ropsley Aug 10 1755 dau John & Mary Doughty

Albert Rawlinson born about 1869-70 didn't see him in Ropsley records but could have missed him. Might be worth searching neighbouring parishes of Heydour, Raceby, Braceby, Sapperton, Lenton, Ingoldsby, Boothby Pagnell, Somerby, and Welby for single parent baptism
Take care with the familysearch website it doesn't have all the records on it and not always accurate as I have found on several occasions.
good luck

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Nottinghamshire / Re: john chambers mary brown selston 1832
« on: Saturday 20 August 11 15:04 BST (UK)  »
hi Sylvia
sorry wrong Mary Brown - the one I'm following up was born Codnor or Greasley from census info
Thanks anyway
keith

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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: John Wass
« on: Saturday 20 August 11 12:46 BST (UK)  »
Hi June Sandymc
This is getting very complicated but I have some more info - In 1871 census Ropsley, Albert Rawlison age 1 was a visitor with James Wass (b Ropsley) and Harriett (b Jersey). In 1881 he was listed as a boarder age 11 with another child Emily Kelham age 0.
There are Wass's in Ropsley going back well into 1700's. I have discovered a brilliant website www.lincstothepast.com where you can do advanced search eg on Ropsley baptisms and select images and you can see actual parish records

Not sure who we are following now - is it Albert Rawlinson or James Wass born 1822? It looks as if James and Harriett were foster parents but can't see how or if they are related to Albert. I can't find Albert baptism in Ropsley
keith

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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: John Wass
« on: Friday 19 August 11 10:58 BST (UK)  »
hello again June & Sandymc
mmm if it is Lincolnshire then may not be a connection to Derbyshire Wass's. There are 2 distinct lines of Wass in Derbyshire, one descending from Nicholas of N Wingfield(will 1606/7) and the other from Henry of Morton/Woolley Moor (will 1641). There are maybe 3 or 4 separate lines in Nottinghamshire from about the same time. There are also other groups in Essex and N Yorkshire which are also separate families from this period. Hopefully you have the right James Wass in 1822. I'll see if I can find more from my info
cheers Keith

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