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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Burnside - Isle of Wight
« on: Tuesday 21 December 10 14:37 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Val

Just saw your post and want to thank you for solving a mystery for me regarding  Ambrose's daughter Sarah's birth.

Sarah is my GGG grandmother. She was shown as BC in some Census records and there were claims she was 99 (born in Yorkshire) when she died in 1900 but now we know the truth.

I also want to thank you for your post on the Burnside travellers forum a few months ago for helping to sort out all the Ambroses.

Did you make any progress in finding a marriage for Ambrose and wife Sarah?
We believe their Eldest child Elizabeth must have been born before 1805  during the time Ambrose was with the 82nd regiment and the regiment was in Minorca or Ireland.

Janet

 

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Durham / Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« on: Sunday 28 February 10 13:02 GMT (UK)  »
Hello again,
The family names of the 1779 AB seem to fit the Oz AB. The main stumbling block is the age on the DC.

However, we have a newspaper report from 1830 of the Coroner examining the body of Sarah Burnside and finding the cause of death as "habitual intemperance".

We're 99% sure this is AB's widow - its definitely not their daughter, so this may help to explain the apparent inaccuracy in AB's DC.

Janet

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Durham / Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« on: Sunday 28 February 10 05:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hello again everyone.

In reply to Ermy, private AB was invalided from the 73rd in 1814 and then joined another veteran corps here - the Royal Vet Corps. When they were disbanded in 1824, he chose to stay here and for a short period in 1825 he served as a constable.

Hi Colin,
I don't really have any evidence either way to comment on my AB being father to Edward, although there are plenty of other cases where young children accompany their parents - convict and free - on the journey. 
We think daughter Elizabeth did, but can't find any record of her being born. She married here in 1821 and Ambrose is described as her father at the bigamy trail of Elizabeth's husband.
Janet

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Durham / Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« on: Saturday 27 February 10 22:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hello everyone
Thanks for the updates. We thought we had difficulties with the Australian Burnsides - uncertain dates of birth/ identities etc but it seems that problem is not confined to the Australian Burnsides.

We know private AB arrived in Oz in 1810. we know he died in 1827 here but DC shows age 66.

We know from AB's letter to Govt requesting land that he arrived with 73rd (and had been in 4th Royal Vet Battalion earlier). Most of regiment arrived earlier in 1810 but AB and some others followed as guards on convict ships.

I hired a  researcher to search Kew records who found the link for AB from 73rd back  to 4th RVB back to 82nd reg back  to Durham militia  - potter and age 17 in 1799. - which doesn't agree with DC.

We know he had a wife Sarah but don't know details of marriage or maiden name.
We know his daughter Elizabeth married in 1821 but don't know her age precisely.

We know his daughter Sarah (my GGG grandmother) claimed to be born in England but 1828 muster lists  her born here.

Son Benjamin seems to disappear (along with the surname Burnside) although several of AB's daughters - incl Ann keep the name Ambrose for their children etc.
We suspected that wife Sarah may have been a second wife (and not the mother of Elizabeth because there is a large gap between daughter Eliz and other children.

Janet

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Durham / Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« on: Monday 11 January 10 22:02 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks very much for the responses.

In reply to Gary's post, we don't know Elizabeth's date of birth (or death) but we know she married (very unhappily - but that's another saga) in 1821. Ambroseis described as her father at Elizabeth's husband's bigamy trial.

We presume the info for AB's DC was given by his wife Sarah. There is also a lot of inconsistent info about her age - we don't think her information can be relied on - she had a drinking problem and after AB's death, placed their daughter Ann into an orphanage. (Ann later commited highway robbery but that's another saga).

We speculated that Sarah might have been a second wife and not the mother of Elizabeth because there is probably a 8-10 year gap between children. 

In reply to Colin's post, the age of 17 is quite clear on the regimental paper. Its very different to the 3's written nearby in what appears the same handwriting.

Not having seen the original of the DC, we speculated that the age might have actually been a 4 written in one stroke with on open top- not a point that could be misintrepreted as a 6 but that doesn't help because all the younger ABs appeared to be accounted for.

Janet

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Durham / Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« on: Monday 11 January 10 14:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all. I am posting here, not with solutions to any questions but to raise some more questions about  my Ambrose Burnside.

In April 1798 he enlisted in the Durham militia.

In July 1799 he transferred to the 82nd, The regimental book shows him as, trade potter, County Durham,  Parish “Blaknam”?, aged 17 so born around 1782.

He left England in 1809 with the 73rd, presumably with wife Sarah? and daughter Elizabeth

His Death cert in 1827  in Australia shows him as 66 and so born in 1761. I would have thought the enlistment age more reliable – but we don't know. It seems the questions about the Burnsides never end.

Some of my AB’s children certainly match the pattern of names. His children were Sarah, Ann, Benjamin, Elizabeth, John  as well as Mary and Charlotte.
 
Any thoughts/ speculation etc would be welcome.

Janet

P.s. I have had exchanged Emails some time ago with Colin and Fred

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