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Thank you so much for the replies, I think you have indeed found them but I wonder why she is listed as Martha. I just double checked the certificates/census' that I do have to be certain.

My great grandad shows his parents as William Warren( Labourer) and his mother Elizabeth Warren nee Walker. He was born in 1896. Deptford Greenwich.

I then search for the marriage of William and Elizabeth, they were married at st johns deptford in 1892. She is listed as Elizabeth walker and him william warren. fathers William warren lighterman and Hers, charles walker carpenter.

On the 1911 census, its states they have been married for 22 years and that Daisey is 21. If daisey is 21 then she would have been born 1890, so I assume they are lying about when they got married as she appears to have already been born. He states he was born in deptford but previous census says Rotherhithe, she states plumstead so it appears that she is possibly Martha.

I will try the church registers as suggested...getting more flumoxed. As family folklore states that he was a well to do oil refiner too but the certificates show his "mark" rather than writing so I assume he wasnt so well to do although the certificates show labourer and the 1911 census shows oil refiner. But i'm certain im looking at the right certificates etc.

I'm stuck trying to trace an ancestor and his wife. Scrutinising their marriage certificate shows his father as being a lighterman, deceased. I know that Lightermen of the Thames were licensed etc and so this is a small shred of something to widen my search. But looking at the Lighterman website shows that I'd need to know his D.O.B etc and I don't as census' etc are throwing nothing up.

His name was William Warren, the son (who I can find limited info on) was also William Warren, you see why it gets confusing. All I have to go on is that William Warren junior was born in Rotherhithe, and by the time he married in 1892 (to Elizabeth Walker) in Deptford. William Warren Snr : Lighterman was deceased. If I buy the CD with records on it, am I going to be able to trace a lighterman from such tiny information? The names are all so common that searches just reveal thousands of hits all the time.

Can anyone offer me any advice?

I cannot thank you enough for such help. This website is fantastic. On the odd times I've posted I've been given such fab help.

I ordered the war diaries and there is a large entry for the 18th oct namely the officer casualties listed. But Im finding it really really hard to deciper the scrawl! I may have to try and sit down and transcribe it like a will. Its not easy when its all jargon to me.

The place looks like LES BOGU7S ??
where?

I am really embarrassed to admit this but I have such a poor poor knowledge of WW1 that I'm struggling to piece my Great Grandfathers last movements etc together. Can anyone help..

His name was William Charles Bampton number S/20407
I've found his war grave details, medal card but no service records. The war grave shows that he is remembered on the Thiepval Memorial. That he was a private in 1st battalion riflebrigade. I deduce from the war grave then that he evidently died in the battle of the somme (oct 1916). But is that the extent of what I can find out?

Is there anywhere else I can look for details on the battalions movements etc..its all quite confusing when you are a novice?