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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: James Valentine Hubbard: Tailor 1844 Norwich
« on: Tuesday 29 November 11 20:01 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Fred. Nothing that immediately jumps out but I'll keep it on file. Thanks again 
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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: William Valentine 1751 Norfolk
« on: Sunday 27 November 11 23:22 GMT (UK) »
If you ever discover where the name is repeated, back in your tree, let me know!
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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: William Valentine 1751 Norfolk
« on: Sunday 27 November 11 15:09 GMT (UK) »
I have an ancestor called James Valentine Hubbard born 1820 in Wramplingham. I suspect that the name comes from a connection to the Valentine family but haven't yet found it. If anyone comes across a connection between the Hubbards and the Valentines please let me know! (*)
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Norfolk Lookup Requests / James Valentine Hubbard: Tailor 1844 Norwich
« on: Sunday 27 November 11 12:36 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if anyone can help me. Is there anywhere that I can search for someone in 1844 in Norwich by their trade? I am looking for James Valentine Hubbard, who is listed on his marriage certificate as being a tailor at the time of his marriage to Sarah Johnson at St. Gregory, Norwich, his father also James Hubbard, also a tailor.
I have found James Valentine Hubbard on all census. 1851 Farmer in Barford. 1861 Gamekeeper in Kings Cliffe. 1871 Gamekeeper in Southorpe, 1881 Gamekeeper in Kings Cliffe. 1886 death in district of Stamford. All census record his birth as 1820 in Wramplingham / Great Melton. I have found a christening record in Great Melton in 1820 for a James Valentine, parents James Hubbard and Pleasance Fisher. I have also found a christening record for Pleasance Fisher 1791 in Wramplingham (parents Clear Fisher and Pleasance Purdy) and a marriage record for Pleasance Fisher to James Hubbard in Wramplingham in 1811. So everything points towards James Valentine's parents being James Hubbard and Pleasance Fisher. I have also found James & Pleasance Hubbard on the 1841 census living in Wramplingham with a son James aged 20, James senior is a Farmer, born in Norfolk and 1851 & 1861 census he is also a Farmer born in Great Melton.
The problem is this. My Grandfather (grandson of James Valentine) used to talk of us being descended from a French POW from the Napoleonic Wars who married a local girl. The wars ended in 1815 and James Valentine was born in 1820 so I presumed that the Frenchman must be James Valentine's father. However everything points towards James Valentine's parents being James Hubbard and Pleasance Fisher, but James senior was born in Norfolk so that doesn't match with family legend. Of course that tale may be incorrect but the fact that both James Valentine and his father James are listed as being Tailors on the 1844 marriage certificate is bugging me as that doesn't tie in with the 1841 census where James senior is a Farmer as he continues to be, as does James Valentine from 1851 onwards. It doesn't make sense! Also I wonder where the name 'Valentine' has come from. I had thought that maybe it was a family name from one of his grandparents but I can't find any marriage records between a Hubbard and a Valentine. It seems to me that if I can find some more information about 2 tailors in Norwich in 1844 called James Hubbard I might find some answers! Can anyone help?!
I have found James Valentine Hubbard on all census. 1851 Farmer in Barford. 1861 Gamekeeper in Kings Cliffe. 1871 Gamekeeper in Southorpe, 1881 Gamekeeper in Kings Cliffe. 1886 death in district of Stamford. All census record his birth as 1820 in Wramplingham / Great Melton. I have found a christening record in Great Melton in 1820 for a James Valentine, parents James Hubbard and Pleasance Fisher. I have also found a christening record for Pleasance Fisher 1791 in Wramplingham (parents Clear Fisher and Pleasance Purdy) and a marriage record for Pleasance Fisher to James Hubbard in Wramplingham in 1811. So everything points towards James Valentine's parents being James Hubbard and Pleasance Fisher. I have also found James & Pleasance Hubbard on the 1841 census living in Wramplingham with a son James aged 20, James senior is a Farmer, born in Norfolk and 1851 & 1861 census he is also a Farmer born in Great Melton.
The problem is this. My Grandfather (grandson of James Valentine) used to talk of us being descended from a French POW from the Napoleonic Wars who married a local girl. The wars ended in 1815 and James Valentine was born in 1820 so I presumed that the Frenchman must be James Valentine's father. However everything points towards James Valentine's parents being James Hubbard and Pleasance Fisher, but James senior was born in Norfolk so that doesn't match with family legend. Of course that tale may be incorrect but the fact that both James Valentine and his father James are listed as being Tailors on the 1844 marriage certificate is bugging me as that doesn't tie in with the 1841 census where James senior is a Farmer as he continues to be, as does James Valentine from 1851 onwards. It doesn't make sense! Also I wonder where the name 'Valentine' has come from. I had thought that maybe it was a family name from one of his grandparents but I can't find any marriage records between a Hubbard and a Valentine. It seems to me that if I can find some more information about 2 tailors in Norwich in 1844 called James Hubbard I might find some answers! Can anyone help?!
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Lancashire / Re: Lancashire Asylums
« on: Tuesday 25 January 11 18:06 GMT (UK) »
Well possibly then. I've just had a quick search but can't find her name amongst those that were buried at St. Mary's. Does anyone know of a complete index anywhere?
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Lancashire / Re: Lancashire Asylums
« on: Tuesday 25 January 11 17:25 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if anyone can help me. I am trying to find some more information on mental hospitals in the Rochdale area in order to trace my Great Grandmother Alice Close, nee Brearley. Last seen on the 1911 census in Rochdale when her two children were quite small. My grandmother used to say that she never knew her mother and the family moved to Lytham St. Annes, earliest records I can find is 1927. The feeling is that she was an alcoholic and was sent to an asylum / institution. I cannot find any death record for her. Can anyone tell me if there is a particular hospital she would have been sent to when living in Rochdale. Could she possibly have been sent to Prestwich? Also were there any private institutions? The family were quite wealthy. Any help greatly appreciated.
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Lancashire / Re: Lancashire Asylums
« on: Tuesday 25 January 11 17:20 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure, where is it?
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Lancashire / Lancashire Asylums
« on: Tuesday 25 January 11 17:05 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if anyone can help me. I am trying to find some more information on mental hospitals in the Rochdale area in order to trace my Great Grandmother Alice Close, nee Brearley. Last seen on the 1911 census in Rochdale when her two children were quite small. My grandmother used to say that she never knew her mother and the family moved to Lytham St. Annes, earliest records I can find is 1927. The feeling is that she was an alcoholic and was sent to an asylum / institution. I cannot find any death record for her. Can anyone tell me if there is a particular hospital she would have been sent to when living in Rochdale. Also were there any private institutions? The family were quite wealthy. Any help greatly appreciated.
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Cheshire / Re: Mental Hospitals in Rochdale Area
« on: Tuesday 25 January 11 16:05 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if anyone can help me. I am trying to find some more information on mental hospitals in the Rochdale area in order to trace my Great Grandmother Alice Close, nee Brearley. Last seen on the 1911 census in Rochdale when her two children were quite small. My grandmother used to say that she never knew her mother and the family moved to Lytham St. Annes, earliest records I can find is 1927. The feeling is that she was an alcoholic and was sent to an asylum / institution. I cannot find any death record for her. Can anyone tell me if there is a particular hospital she would have been sent to when living in Rochdale. Also were there any private institutions? The family were quite wealthy. Any help greatly appreciated.