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Antrim / Re: Elizabeth Ann WALKER, Shankill district
« on: Thursday 16 January 14 10:35 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
His first wife may have been Johana Williamson. Indeed he is shown as widowed on his marriage certificate - dates are m26jul1861 & m16dec1869.
According to my mother Eliza died in Bangor and never re-married after John's death.
Note in 1881 census the reference to his wife being Johana may be in error because certainly on St Matthias actual baptismal record Eliza is on it for Mary Walker's insert and the address marries up with the census and my family's story about our roots in Liverpool.
As far as his death in 1887, have got that death certificate yet. If not then I'll apply for it and we can corroborate information.
Ta,
Stephen

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Antrim / Re: Elizabeth Ann WALKER, Shankill district
« on: Tuesday 17 December 13 16:08 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for that Scurlockgirl,
I concur. and did wonder about the Johanna thing (mistake?). The death of John Walker remains a mystery for me still.. between 1881 and 1891? I have a photograph of who we believe to be him pre-1901 dressed as a sailor in Maryport (printed as a postcard with Walker and Elm Street, Belfast, written on it).
I'm working in Liverpool now as I type this and funnily enough Gt Howard Street (St Matthias' Church not there now) cropped up in conversation reminding about one story on Mary Josephine, because your Kennedy link might explain how we were told as children that Mary's future husband (James Mangan - Sailor) was previously a lodger in her house near the docks (where she was the landlady). Goodness knows when they moved to Belfast then where he later resided around the corner from Elm St in Spruce St (he previously lived in Lindsey St as a sailor from Co. Meath).
I'm still trying to narrow down the death of John Walker so any help would be appreciated.
Ta,
Robbo

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Antrim / Re: Elizabeth Ann WALKER, Shankill district
« on: Thursday 05 December 13 20:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Scurlockgirl,
I note some confusion here in the posts above. I know my Walker relatives from both Spruce Street and Elm Street via my mother who is in her late seventies now in Belfast.
She use to visit her Great-Grandmother Eliza's grave in Bangor was she was born (1841) also (Eliza Eddy). She married (26jul1861) John Walker (born 1831 Belfast and a sailor, widowed on his marriage certificate to Eliza Eddy) who indeed was from Belfast who spent some time in Liverpool via merchant navy. I have some old photos but I'm still deciphering who is who in them. Eliza has three children in the 1901 census and is widowed. My mother's Grandmother was on of them, Mary Josephine born in Liverpool in 1878 as was Robert John (born 1882) and Eliza Anne "Lizzie" too (born 27Aug1884). However there is other siblings, Andrew born 1865 and went to America, John born 1867, James born 1869, an 1871?? sibling?? and Mary Isabella born in 1874.
I'm not sure your Elizabeth Anne is Lizzie or not because I'm on the Mary Walker line.
There are other Eliza Walkers from Cairo Street in the "Holyland" in Belfast and maybe Walnut Street in the Donegall Pass also, but I'm not sure about them.
If this is the Walker family you are after then keep in contact as I'm still researching them via navy links on HMS Terpsichore.
Hope this helps you and other Walkers.
Robbo

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Ireland / Re: James Clarence Mangan
« on: Saturday 16 January 10 21:53 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Clarah,

James Clarence Mangan (JCM), born in Fishamble Street, Dublin, 1st May, 1803, and died in Dublin 20 June, 1849.

Clarence (nom de plume from 1820's onward) Mangan's father was indeed James Mangan also, a grocer, and now we have him from Shanagolden Yale, Co Limerick.

Yes, Catherine Smith was his mother and also he reveals in his autobiography that he had two brothers (some reckon one older and one younger, whereas others reckon John b. 1804 and William b. 1808) and one younger sister (some reckon she died young). 

Catherine Smith was from a farming family from Kiltale, Co. Meath. However, her grandfather, John Smith, was a publican in Fishamble Street and it appears that JCM's father and Catherine Smith married in April 1798 then moved to Dublin in 1801 where they set up a business already generated by Catherine's aunt in Dublin. 

I'm still reviewing my other Mangan books I've collected over the years for more clues.

My family line on my mother's side is that her grandfather was James "Valentine" Mangan (b. 14 feb 1875 - dublin) who married in 1900 a Liverpudlian (Mary Josephine Walker b.1878). His father was Andrew Mangan (b. circa 1850) , so we believe Andrew was possibly a nephew of James Clarence Mangan (JCM).... still to be proven by me though. My Grandmother always claimed the Mangan's moved to "Royal Meath" and hence always loved the lyrics of the Foggy Dew song - "From the plains of Royal Meath". So I have some more clues to go on. Also, JCM did die in the Meath Hospital, Dublin (ironically).

Unfortunately, my relative Frank Crummey is busy preparing for a book launch in Dublin for 9th March this year and hasn't responded with what he's unearthed with his family's link to JCM. I'll keep the forum posted of his results when I receive them probably after the book launch.

Stephen.

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Ireland / Re: James Clarence Mangan
« on: Saturday 02 January 10 15:32 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Clarah,

My grandfather was James Valentine Mangan from Belfast, his father was Andrew Mangan from Eire and we've always been told that James "Clarence - more a stage name" Mangan was an ancestor.

I have read his auto bio and there's  no mention of his offspring though, so we now believe he's more great-g-g uncle.

Frank Crummy in Dublin is my mum's cousin who used to write for the Irish Times and he has been researching this also as like my mum the Mangan name is on the nee side of his family but he also believes we have a link to the poet.

Mangan's auto bio reveals the parentage - worth a read, quite a tragic figure.

keep the link alive and add to it if either of us discover any more.

Cheers,

Stephen

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