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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Eastbourne 1936 ocklynge
« on: Saturday 05 February 11 00:45 GMT (UK)  »
thank you for your two messages. i have not found the latter newspaper report you mentioned
; the details regarding your 2nd message is interesting.  I hope that his wife's will sheds light on the tnen situation. As you say it is fascinating how things are moving along.

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Eastbourne 1936 ocklynge
« on: Friday 04 February 11 13:04 GMT (UK)  »
Valerie,

It may interest you to know about the very recent discovery - Alfred and Josephine were living in Bedford, 1911, with an adopted daughter - named Dorothy Josephine Wagstaff, born in Liverpool.

If this child had been adopted during the lifetime of James Poole Wagstaff, i rather think that some notice of this would have appeared in his Will, as a codicil.  I am assuming that the child was adopted by Josephine between 1903-1906, before she reverted to her married name of Jalland.

There is also a marriage in Bedford, 1941 of a Dorothy Josephine Wagstaff marrying Charles Leslie Crowsley.  I will see what i can find out from the Bedford newspapers for 1941, and if need be get the marriagei certificate.

best wishes,


Roger



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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Eastbourne 1936 ocklynge
« on: Thursday 03 February 11 00:56 GMT (UK)  »
thank you mark.    just hope that josephine's will may clarify a few things and fill in more gaps.

best wishes,

Roger.

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Eastbourne 1936 ocklynge
« on: Monday 31 January 11 23:35 GMT (UK)  »
You asked me about questions, so here goes.

i would like to know the parentage of Jane Josephine Burns to add to the family tree, and more especially if there exists any photographs of her and Alfred G. Jalland that i could have a copy of.

I have not found a photograph of James Poole Wagstaff so far.

Does your cousin know what happened to his aunt between, say for example, 1911 and 1935 when she died?

I would have presumed that any part of the Wagstaff fortune which was left in 1935, would have gone to the male heirs of James Wagstaff.

To be honest, anything that your cousin cares to share with me would be splendid. I can still hardly believe that after all these years information is coming up.

i am now wondering what happened to the adopted daughter - the name of Wagstaff suggests that the child was adopted after James's death in 1903 and before Josephine reverted to her real married name, Jalland.

Have you been to Eastbourne, and is there a gravestone in the cemetary? I certainly will have to visit the place for myself as soon as I can.

James was not Catholic, but a member of the Church of England.

From what I understand of Mrs Jalland, and of the good works that she did, certainly in Potton if not elsewhere, that she was in fact responsible for providing the funds for your relative to buy the house in Ireland. She was known in the district as "Lady Bountiful".

Best wishes,

Roger.

With best wishes,



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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Eastbourne 1936 ocklynge
« on: Monday 31 January 11 22:55 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Valerie, Well, if you're 15 miles from bedford, i am just about 8 miles from bedford - living close to Northill, where my Wagstaffs moved to, from Potton.

I don't appear to be able to send you a link so that you can read one of the online articles that will give you the basic details of the saga.

Jane Josephine met James Wagstaff after she had her husband had parted. She told James that alfred left her on their wedding night..... the marriage between james and josephine is recorded at St George's Church, Bloomsbury, 21 December.

I am not sure if its allowed to add an email address here, but  I can be reached through the website chicksandspriory.co.uk as I am the chairman and historian of the friends of chicksands priory.

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Eastbourne 1936 ocklynge
« on: Monday 31 January 11 21:19 GMT (UK)  »
Valerie,
              The Jalland mystery seems to be continuing. I have found Alfred Gibson Jalland and his wife Josephine, in the 1911 Census, living at 65 De Parys Avenue, Bedford. With them is an adopted daughter, Dorothy Josephine Wagstaff, aged 11 years, born in Liverpool.

Roger.

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Eastbourne 1936 ocklynge
« on: Monday 31 January 11 01:19 GMT (UK)  »
The James that I mentioned was a distant relative on my mother's side of the Wagstaff family. He had met Alfred Gibson Jalland's wife, who later went to his home as Housekeeper. Some months later her persuaded her to marry him, both knowing of her previous marriage. They lived as man and wife until his death in 1903, she inheriting his fortune of approx £174.000. In 1906 she confessed to bigamy and the following year the court case was heard regarding the contesting of the will by James's cousins. The judge found in her favour and on her death she left £50,000.

I found  all of these details a few years after starting my researches into my mother's Wagstaff family.

Its only recently that i found the details of her death and now the details of her husband's death and their  burial  at Eastbourne. I had been told that she died at the Grand Hotel, Eastbourne but had no idea that she had reverted to her proper married name of Jalland. ( I do have details of the court proceedings and a copy of James Poole Wagstaff's will. Also the case made local and national headlines. I have some copies of the newspaper reports too) She was well thought of in the village of Potton, and it would be fantastic if your cousin has photographs of her and Alfred that could be copied. I would like to pass copies to Potton Historical Society who were so helpful with my initial inquiries in the 1970's.  I began my researches in 1965, but since my retirement in 2007 have been spending more time to fill in gaps and make further progress.

If I can be of help in any way, do let me know.

Roger.

PS. James and his wife had a daughter but she died after a few months. There is a monument to her in Potton Churchyard.

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Eastbourne 1936 ocklynge
« on: Saturday 29 January 11 14:47 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Valerie,
                     i would be grateful for information regarding Jeannie Burns. The saga surrounding her life with James Poole Wagstaff at Potton Manor was much talked about and she was regarded as a great benefactor to the village folk.  I have known for a number of years that she died in Eastbourne but only these last few days found exact details, and more information regarding her husband, Alfred Gibson Jalland.

As a result of proving the connection between the various branches of my Wagstaff family here in Bedfordshire, i was intrigued to read the various newspaper reports and the contest for the Wagstaff fortune the James had bestowed on her and although revoked, the trial judge allowed her to inherit as "his common law" wife.

Roger

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England / jalland family
« on: Saturday 29 January 11 10:59 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to trace more details of Alfred Gibson Jalland and his wife, Jeannie Josephine. Mrs Jalland inherited a fortune following the death of James Poole Wagstaff, 1903. National newspapers record the inheritance dispute and the bigamous marriage which had taken place in London. I am a descendant of the Wagstaff family in Bedfordshire.

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