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My 4x great-grandfather, William Jackson, married a certain Martha Sidney at Bolton on Dearne in early July 1813.  I am fairly certain that he was born at Wath in 1792, and that his father was a certain John Jackson.  I am also fairly certain that this John Jackson married Hannah Wilson in 1780, at Wath... and I am also suspecting that this John Jackson was likewise born at Wath, and that his father was a Thomas Jackson.

Thanks for all your input and help. Happily, the Wath BMD Registers are as intact as they seem to be!

Mike

Thanks Kiestone and Ibbo,

Yes, Jonathan Lewis and George Lewis are brothers.  Both Jonathan Lewis and Elizabeth Fawcett were born in Yorkshire and both were in the US (northern Pennsylvania) prior to 1838.  Upon the death of Jonathan's father, Robert Lewis, at Sicklinghall in 1836, Jonathan returned to the UK (Sicklinghall), the purpose of which was to claim his inheritance, and he brought Elizabeth with him.  They stayed there on the farm at Sicklinghall for a few years before returning to the US (northern Pennsylvania) in 1844 with, by then, 3 children (Aaron, Moses and Miriam).  All three UK births were registered, but with mixed surnames (Fawcett / Lewis).  Jonathan bought-up a ton of land in northern Pennsylvania with the heritated money and he and Elizabeth remaind there for the rest of their lives.

Mike

Mike, never ever say that they are not related, you never know!!

In 1871 Joseph Oates has a nephew Clement Oates aged 15 and niece Harriet A 11 with him and Sarah (Now b Middx)

1861 census if someone could look at original for any more info:-

George Oates 36 occ File Cutter b London
Hannah M 30 b  Wadsley Yorks
Ellenor 6 b Sheffield
Oates son 5 b Sheffield
Harriett A 2 b Sheffield
Residing at Channing Street, Sheffield
Census ref RG10/3464/71/19

If the Sophia b Mortlake in 1851 is same one, in combination with above birth possibly in London, I would check for a London marriage?
Keyboard86

Mine were ekeing-out a living at the Sheffield Manor Lodge ruins at the time; then emigrated to the US in Nov 1848.  They knew the Dec 1838 Sheffield wedded pair: John Glossop and bride Ann Hudson, but the Holdens were strictly John Glossop's, if they were anybody's.

Mike

Mike

Hi Mike, glad to see it has,  or at least looks like been sorted out, but that 1851 for Thomas Smith really has me ( at least) puzzled!

Who was the Sophia who married possiby George Oates?
When was Harriet Oates christened, also why large gap between Harriett and Joseph Oates?

More questions than answers!!
Keyboard86

And Thanks Karenlee and KeyBd!  Yes, the waters get muddier and more complicated with each post.  Seems like I opened a can of worms... all in the name of another problem entirely!

I have the Cathedral St Peter, Sheffield marriage index, and no George Oates & Sophia marriage shows-up in any of the expected periods, (1823 or earlier) so maybe theirs was a Rotherham marriage too (same as her later marriage to Alfred Holden).  And yes,,,, who is Thomas Smith with whom she and son Joseph are residing in 1851!?... in Surrey!  -- or is that the mother of all coincidences as it pertains to names, dates and ages!?

OK, so, presumptively:
Sophia marries George Oates, (who, it appears, is considerably older than she), somewhere in S. YKS prior to 1823 and George dies in 1837 but not before having fathered two children with Sophia (assuming she is the birth-mother of both Harriet and Joseph).  A year after the death of husband George Oates, Sophia marries Alfred Holden (who is himself half her age) in the 4th qtr of 1838 in Rotherham, and they almost immediately move to London (maybe occupationally-related as that pertains to Alfred being a slater) ... they seperate or divorce prior to 1851, and she takes up with (or more correctly marries) Thomas Smith in Surrey... Meanwhile, Alfred Holden heads back to Sheffield, where in 1861 he is recorded as a widower, (a census term of his own choosing which he prefers over "divorced"), prior to which she, having seen the light, leaves Thomas Smith, and follows Alfred back up to Sheffield, where, incredibly, she does in fact die in 1860, thus lending some indirect validity to Alfred's "widowed" status claim in the 1861 census.

Sorted!!    .... (or maybe not)

(And no, none of these are related to me, thank goodness)

Mike