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Occupation Interests / Re: Master Mariner (MM)
« on: Sunday 03 January 10 22:28 GMT (UK)  »
As mentioned previously I used a professional maritime researcher to pull all the information so if it helps I can give you what I can glean from what she gave me as her sources.

(1)  The Masters Certificates are housed at the NMM in Greenwich.    She tells that the NMM take three weeks or more to answer specific enquiries and are adamant that to make the search they need the number of the MM's certificate.    Our MM's number started with a CO and then had 5 numbers following. 

(2)   Where do you get this number ?  My researcher told me that she usually finds them in BT 122 - BT 127 which are a series of Board of Trade records relating to Merchant Seamen which covers competency certificates.  They are supposed to be indexed in BT 127 but she could not find his entry there.   I had told her that he had served in the merchant marine in WW1 and having provided her with this clue she found his medal card in BT 351 which had his MM's certificate number.

(3)   How to read The Captains Registers of Lloyds of London Guildhall Library Ms 18567 ?   Mr researcher told me that she ordered them in advance of her visit to The London Metropolitan Archives.   Once there she took photographs of our MM's entries in four of the registers because of the use of colored inks and underlinings to denote various key pieces of information such as whether the MM was Captain, 2nd Mate or even 3rd of 4th Mate.   There are also some really neat blue entries that describe "incidents" such as sinkings, groundings etc.  This is all very well explained in an 8 page document that my researcher sent me entitled 'Lloyds "Captains Registers" at Guildhall Library and related sources elsewhere'

Hope this is of use to you

 

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Occupation Interests / Re: Master Mariner (MM)
« on: Tuesday 29 December 09 20:37 GMT (UK)  »
To Bond 1 and Springbok.

Thank you both for your responses.    My young brother has clearly won the bet which was specifically on the contemporary use of MM as a post nominal for a Master Mariner.   I can't think of a more qualified person than a retired master mariner to put us straight on how he would like to be addressed in correspondence which he says should be as Captain J ..... N ..... with professional qualifications following his name.   

Our g-g-grandfather was home for just one census during his career and on that occasion the census taker entered him as a Master Mariner.   I don't appear to have his actual birth certificate so I cannot check that source however thanks to an excellent professional researcher at the National Archives we do have a copy of his Master Mariners Certificate and his entries in The Lloyds Captain's Register from 1883 - 1909.

We already had some of his personal papers but unfortunately no envelopes to show us what form of address his contemporaries in the period 1888 - 1926 used when addressing their envelopes to him.     This would have been prima face evidence of the historical use of the post nominal MM in g-g-grandfather's time

Tx again for your help












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Occupation Interests / Re: Master Mariner (MM)
« on: Thursday 24 December 09 17:12 GMT (UK)  »
You could help to resolve a transatlantic family disagreement over whether or not MM as a post nominal can refer to anything other than to the person as a holder of the Military Medal.   

My UK domiciled brother tells me that the post nominal MM as in Master Mariner is not recognized nowadays.

We have a g-g-grandfather who was a Master Mariner and we are unsure as to whether to put MM after his name in our family tree

We would appreciate any guidance that you could give me on this matter

I believe there is a small bet riding on the outcome which I would love to have my brother pay me on my next visit to Blighty.

Any help would be most appreciated !


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