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I'm helping a friend of a friend with a family tree. He's looking for his wife's ancestors for a surprise family tree gift. They were the Frasers. Specifically, he's looking at Margaret Fraser, born around 1831 in Rothes, according to Scottish census records. Does anyone have any info on the family? We don't seem to be able to find the name of either of her parents. She stayed in the area her whole life and is buried in Fochabers (1917). Married a Gordon McQueen in Rothes in 1858. That's all the info they have.

Many thanks.

Debra

I went on to Australia Births and Baptisms on familysearch.org to look up all the children born to a John Smith and Ann between 1836-1856 in NSW.  I have only included children born to parents with the exact names of John Smith and Ann, as neither of them had middle names.

There are 13 children with the surname SMITH.  Grouping them to places of birth and baptism (NB the first date is the birth date; the second date is the baptism date):

1) Place: All Saints Camden, NSW:
George Smith (10.02.1837 / 24.04.1837)

2) Place: St John, Parramatta, NSW:
Mary Virgo Smith (22.02.1839 / 31.03.1839)
Caroline Elizabeth Smith (30.03.1839 / 28.04.1839)
Sarah Smith (30.08.1840 / 06.09.1840)

3) Place: Queanbeyan, NSW:
Mary Ann Smith (06.06.1839 / 24.08.1839)
John Hunt Smith (17.05.1841 / 22.08.1841)

4) Place: Yass, NSW
Ann Smith (07.05.1841 / 08.03.1841)

5) Place: Vincent, Murray & Aukland Counties, NSW
Jane Smith (? / 12.02.1846)

6) Place: Bathurst, NSW
Lucy Smith (01.05.1853 / 10.07.1853)
Lucy Emma (20.03.1855 / 27.05.1855)

7) Place: Unknown, NSW
John Smith (27.04.1854 / 30.07.1854)

Place: Carcoas, NSW
William John Smith (08.02.1854 / 11.06.1854)

9) Place: St Andrews, Sydney, NSW
George Smith (16.02.1855 / 23.09.1855)

I hope this info helps.  I know that some older records here reveal the mother's maiden name on the birth records.  I'm hoping this is the same on the Australian ones.

Many thanks.
Alan

Thanks very much for all the help given. Much appreciated.

I hate to sound thick, but I'm a little confused about the convict ship index highlighted. I went on to the NSW records online and put the name John Smith in, but 6 records came up for the Sesostris.  Can anybody tell me how to read this? I'm trying to fathom how the six database returns equate to just 2 people.  I'm assuming that the 'Year' column is the year that the ship sailed to Oz.  Not at all sure what the column 'Date' signifies - arrival in Oz, maybe?  Does this mean there was more than one sailing of the Sesostris in 1836? 

Does anyone have any idea how I should proceed  from here for Ann and John's children?  I checked the NSW online census records, but there are no women (Ann Smith) to search on.  There are a few John Smiths, but there are very few women listed. 

I did check the name John Crane (witness to John and Ann's marriage - thanks Dawn!). The name is listed on the 1841 census as being in residence in Parish Castle Hill, District Parramatta.  Would this help, or is it a real long shot, I wonder. The server's now down so I'll have to wait a little while to check this.

Thanks all.
Alan


 

Hi

Her parents were Phoebe DUMVILLE (convict) and Charles DUMVILLE (who stayed behind in England with the couple's other children after his wife's conviction).  See previous rootschat link for information on her illustrious mother: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,477672.0.html

I should also add that another member gave the following marriage details for John & Ann Smith:

Marriage St Phillips Sydney C of E 1836

John SMITH to Ann DUMVILLE
#V183656 20

Hope this helps and thanks for responding so quickly.

Alan

I'm looking to find descendants of this ancestor by marriage.

He was a convict (don't know which transportation ship he was on; nor why he was transported - but would be interested to find out).

All I know is that he married my wife's ancestor Ann Dumville at St Phillips Church in Sydney on 31 Oct 1836.  She was not a convict so they were allowed to marry apparently.  Cannot find parish records for this church online. Exceedingly difficult to perform any searches on the couple in any respect because of his common surname and her common first name!

Looking to find out whether they had any children, what their names and DOBs were, marriage dates, etc. 

Any info would be gratefully appreciated, tho' I understand that the SMITH factor complicates efforts.

Many thanks
Alan