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Warwickshire / Re: Debtors Prison Records Coventry/Birmingham area
« on: Thursday 11 December 25 11:57 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you tonepad and wilcoxon. I did not realise that debtors prisons were no longer in use in the 1930's. As I am a history nut, I give myself a slap on the hand.

There are two men in my family tree, brothers, who were builders and in partnership with an architect. The architect skipped the country with all the money and left the brothers facing the music. They disappear from electoral rolls for a couple of years and it certainly looked as though the were in prison for debt.

I cannot find any newspaper articles for this time frame, or either side of it, so it does not seem to have interested the papers. There are articles about their business and their houses.

There is little family legend here except for the fact the architect skipped the country and they were left with the debt.

Ordinary prison perhaps?

My thanks.


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Warwickshire / Debtors Prison Records Coventry/Birmingham area
« on: Wednesday 10 December 25 01:04 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Friends

Does anyone know if there are any records of Debtors Prison inhabitants in the Coventry/Birmingham area in the 1930's please?

Best wishes to you all
Pelican

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Warwickshire / Re: Cause of death Harvey Hodiern 1863 Coventry
« on: Wednesday 23 July 25 04:59 BST (UK)  »
Pott's Disease, thanks Viktoria. That makes a lot of sense. TB was rife in those conditions. So more or less TB of the spine. Not heard of it before. Spine problems come down the family, TB less so, thankfully not together.

Yes it would be the conditions of the time. Very hard. His workplace was his home.  From the death entry it was suddenly but he must have been ill for a while.

Thanks Maddys52. Yes I have that newspaper article. I almost cried when I saw it. I inherited his apprentice paper many years ago, but have now passed it on to the next generation for safe keeping. He was apprenticed as a ribbon weaver to his parents and it is also signed by his maternal grandfather, Joseph Smith, in the most beautiful copperplate writing. Joseph Smith was a draper. Completing an apprenticeship in Coventry meant you could be a Freeman of the City and able to vote. So my great grandfather got his Freeman of the City very shortly before his death. I was so pleased to see it.





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Warwickshire / Cause of death Harvey Hodiern 1863 Coventry
« on: Tuesday 22 July 25 08:42 BST (UK)  »
Hello Friends

My great grandfather Harvey Hodiern of Coventry died when he was only 24 in 1863. The cause of death on his death certificate says "Suddenly from Spinal Complaint.  No medical attendant."

What did spinal complaint mean in 1863 please? Was it an inherited disease? If it helps he was a ribbon weaver. That trade was just going bust at that stage.

Best wishes
Pelican

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Nottinghamshire / Re: 3 Forster Ave Nottingham
« on: Monday 30 June 25 03:00 BST (UK)  »
I did not realise that. Thank you MollyC.

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Nottinghamshire / Re: 3 Forster Ave Nottingham
« on: Sunday 29 June 25 06:42 BST (UK)  »
They more than probably did serve my ancestors! Nice thought.

It was mostly little shops then apart from the department stores. Often they were in the house's front room like my grandmother's in Coventry in the 1920/30/40's and 50's. She had a little grocery store and it was very popular locally. Some were a bit bigger, like where my mother in law was born in Ryde on the Isle of Wight at the turn of the 1900's. Some did survive into the 2000's like one in Leicester I know, but that family progressed to more modern products.

Those streets of little shops were far more intriguing than the supermarkets of today!!

Nottingham may not have photos unless they are from ordinary folk. Big pity that. It is more than likely that Nottingham Council would have bothered to take photos, they were clearance areas and they were more interested in the development like so many councils all over the country. There just might be Francis Frith ones.

I can remember seeing rag and bone men once or twice, but had nothing to do with them. When you think about it they did a good service, it all goes to landfill these days!


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Nottinghamshire / Re: 3 Forster Ave Nottingham
« on: Wednesday 25 June 25 08:57 BST (UK)  »
I know the sort you mean Chris, they were built in cities all over the country like that weren't they. Victorian I think in the main. Well Victoria did have a long reign!

The side by side map was useful Hanes.

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Nottinghamshire / Re: 3 Forster Ave Nottingham
« on: Wednesday 25 June 25 03:17 BST (UK)  »
Thank you everyone. That was an interesting read, explains too why the other places where Grandad lived have also disappeared!! I have been walking around Nottingham on Google maps and in most streets I was interested in the houses look too modern for the late 1800's and the early 1900's even if the street name remained the same. In some cases like Forster Ave the street disappeared too. That map makes it very clear where it was, great.

By the way, it is a pleasant occupation walking around places on Google maps!!!

Again my thanks to you all. Explains everything.

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Nottinghamshire / 3 Forster Ave Nottingham
« on: Tuesday 24 June 25 12:07 BST (UK)  »
My grandparents first home after they got married in 1900 was 3 Forster Ave, Nottingham.

I cannot seem to find it on modern maps and it may have disappeared like so many places in the Blitz. 

The maps tell me however there is a Forster Street. Are Forster Ave and Forster one and the same please?

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