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Many thanks for your suggestion teragram31510 - it certainly makes sense.
Bottom line is, though, that I'll likely never know for certain.
Looks like I've reached the end of the line with this bit of research - so thanks to all who have commented and made suggestions  :)

David

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Many thanks to all who have responded. I agree, it looks like "Woods end" or "Wood-end".

But does anyone have any suggestions as to why the place was stated for this baptism, but not for any others on this page? (I haven't checked any nearby pages - my next task!).

Also, although I note that there is indeed a Woodend just south of Hanbury (thank you hanes teulu & Alan Boyd) - it is 8 miles or so from Uttoxeter, so no obvious reason why the baptism would take place at St Mary's.

But in light of the above it looks as though my thought that the entry might somehow be referring to a future wife - Anne Wood - is just wishful thinking.

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Hello,

I wonder if anyone can please offer some help and advice regarding the wording of this baptism entry from 27th Feb 1675/6 in the Staffordshire Baptsms record set on Find My Past, from St Mary's, Uttoxeter.

It relates to William, the son of Thomas Couper - and it is the latter part of the entry that I am unclear about. it appears to read something like "of ye Woods and baptised..."

A little later on the same page of the Register there is the entry for a marriage of "Thomas Coupe of Leigh Parish and Anne Wood" - who were married on 12th April 1676, and I believe Thomas may well be my 8x great grandfather, as I think he is the father of Nathaniel Couper who was baptised at St Mary's Uttoxeter on 27th Feb 1678 (scanned entry also available on FindMyPast).

The baptismal entry for Nathaniel does not give his mother's name - but if his father, Thomas, is the chap who married Anne Woods a couple of years earlier, then this points to his mother being Anne, nee Wood or Woods.

It is intriguing that there also appears to be this mention of "Wood" or "Woods" on the baptismal entry for William Couper - just a couple of months before Thomas and Anne married.

Is it likely that William was born out of wedlock to Thomas Coupe (Couper?) and Anne Woods? I realise this is just speculation on my part - but it would be good to have other people's views on what the baptismal entry for William actually says.

Hopefully others will find this matter of interest - and I eagerly await your comments and suggestions.

David

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Hi CaroleW,

Many thanks for your interest - it's much appreciated. I agree with what you say, and in a sense I'm already a step ahead of you - working in the opposite direction as it were  :) .

I have already purchased the 2 birth certificates from the GRO. They show - not twins - but that sisters Mary and Ann both gave birth to illegitimate children within a few weeks of one another!

Margaret was born to Mary Davis on the 16th August 1843, with her sister Ann giving birth to Herbert on the 28th September 1843.

This is all part of a rather convoluted investigation I'm carrying out. This Davis family has proved to be difficult to trace through the various censuses, as family members change their ages willy-nilly, and professions also change. I've wondered many times whether I've got 2 or more separate families that I'm confusing - but always come back to the conclusion that no matter how strange it all sounds, my findings are actually correct.

Without going into too much detail here, I'm actually hoping to establish that the James Davis who is my 2x Gt Grandfather (and who married Sarah Ann Andrews at Claines, Worcs on 29th March 1840), was a brother to the aforementioned Mary and Ann - and also to further siblings Eliza (bap 7 Jan 1813), Samuel (bap 28 Jan 1821) and Elizabeth (bap 21 Feb 1830 - but born 1 May 1823). These children all have parents William & Sarah - with William being mostly a Bricklayer (with one baptism entry - Mary - putting him as a Mason).

James states on the Marriage Register that his father was William Davis - a Bricklayer. That's why I think he was part of this family - although I can't find his baptism. His death certificate says he was 65 yrs old when he died at Evesham on 4th March 1882 - so born around 1817. I'm working on the assumption that this family were a bit lax with their baptisms - note Elizabeth above - baptised when she was 6 or 7 years old - and Ann and Elizabeth were both baptised on 7th Jan 1813 - although I think they were also different ages.

Although I clearly can't be certain, what I've unearthed so far makes me think it is a strong possibility that James was born into this family around 1817 - but for whatever reason, was never baptised.

I originally thought that the James Davis baptised at Ombersley on 2nd Dec 1819 to William & Sarah was the person I wanted - but that William was a Labourer - and this couple had many more children at Ombersley.

Finding various grandchildren and children living with other members of this wider family over the various censuses have made me think I'm correct about James.

My next task is to try to establish the parents of the Sarah Ann Andrews who married James Davis in 1840. Helpfully, on the Marriage Register, she simply said her father was "Dead"   :( .

I'm hoping that the fact that other family members can be traced living with Andrews families on various censuses will assist in this task.

Many thanks for those who have so far commented on this post - and I'm always open to further thoughts and suggestions.

David

PS - just to say this is an investigation I began way back, but never resolved at the time. After a long lay-off I'm having another go at it. A previous thread was posted here https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=851715.0

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Many thanks rosie99

On this occasion I didn't think to look for a newspaper announcement. Thanks for prompting me  :)

I've now located it on FindMyPast - and whilst the absence of a mention of a father for Margaret isn't conclusive, it tends to confirm my thoughts.

Thanks again,

David

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Hello,

I wonder if someone with access to The Hive would be able to check this marriage for me please, the next time they visit. I'm particularly interested in what Margaret gives as her father's name and profession.

I know the marriage was registered in September 1871 at Pershore, Vol 6c Page 511 - but it doesn't look as though a pdf is available from the GRO and I'd rather not pay full price for a certificate unless absolutely necessary as Margaret herself is only of peripheral interest. I can give further details of this aspect of my research if necessary.

Thanks in anticipation.
David

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bbart and Bookbox - many thanks for your very helpful replies. Apologies for not responding sooner, yesterday was a busy day!

Thanks for the confirmation that Ww very likely means "Widow" - and whilst I've come across this "Buried in woollen" point before, becuse I do my family history research in fits and starts I'd forgotten about it! The link you provided, Bookbox, was very interesting and helpful.

I'll certainly check further through that Register for other Tooths and Birds, to see if I can glean any further helpful information.

Thank you both once again.
David

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Burial of Hannah Bird at Colton St Mary, Staffs
« on: Thursday 07 November 24 21:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

I'm researching the Bird family of Staffordshire in the early/mid 1700s. I have found a marriage between Joseph Bird and Hannah Tooth at Lichfield on 27th Jan 1735.

Although to date I have no firm proof, I believe that this couple had 7 children, from 1736 to 1753, all baptised at Colton St Mary. Images etc available on FindMyPast. No mother is listed in the Baptismal Register (which is written in Latin) - with all children being listed as son or daughter of "Josephi Bird".

In trying to ensure I've got the correct couple, I've been looking for burials of Joseph and Hannah. A good possibility for Joseph is the burial recorded at Colton on 27th Aug 1775. But it is the burial of Hannah Bird on 28th Nov 1776, also at Colton, with which I would appreciate some help deciphering.

Can someone please tell me what the words/abbreviations are after "Hannah Bird"? I wondered if what appears to be "Ww"  might mean "Widow? But then again I could be barking up completely the wrong tree!

Any thoughts and comments will be greatly appreciated.


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Staffordshire / Re: Help wanted to track down Sarah Hicheson please - early 1700s
« on: Tuesday 29 October 24 14:43 GMT (UK)  »
I'm leaning that way - but I still think it's a bit of a stretch!

David

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