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Hi,
I'm trying to track down the birth records of an Emma Green Beaumont who was born in 1850 in Glossop Derbyshire.
I have been trying to find out her parents identity for a long time. She eventually got married in 1874 to a Charles Walkden(b1852 also my gt, gt, grandfather ) in Huddersfield Wesleyan church Buxton road.
Emma "might" be the daughter of a John Beaumont and Martha(?) however this is not a certainty.i have been told the following info by a Beaumont archivist -John and Martha were living in Wooldale in 1841,this is in a census. John and Martha had six daughters Esther Jane(bHolmfirth1844),Mary,Ann,Martha,Ellen(bHolmfirth1838) and Sarah and two brothers John and James.
Emma and Charles called their first daughter Gertrude Mary, I think this might be because her mother might actually be Mary Beaumont-this theory is also a possibility because the 1881 census lists two of the above as aunts and living with Emma and Charles -Ellen Beaumont and Esther Jane Beaumont. If for example Mary had married a Green it would explain why Emma is being identified as a niece to Esther Jane ,Ann and Ellen in the 71c and 81c.Maybe it was Mary who went to Glossop and not John and Martha.The whole thing is one great big puzzle but if i could find out Emma's birth details it would hopefully sort it out! Could you please help?
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Does that mean that you don't have her birth certificate to confirm her parents names?
There is an Emma Beaumont registered June qtr 1850 Hayfield Derbyshire Ref 19 652
Hayfield looks to be only a spit away south of Glossop on the map, but it might have been the registration district for the surrounding area.
This might help you along.
Mary
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Hi
This looks like Emma in the 1851 census index. It looks like her mother was Martha but there is no sign of a father.
Piece 2152 Folio 441. sch 26
Hayfield Reg. Dist.
Whitfield
Beaumont Martha 48
Beaumont Ellen 13
Beaumont Emma 1
Beaumont James 11
Beaumont Jane 7
Beaumont Martha 21
Beaumont Mary 25
Beaumont Sarah 16
Hope this helps
Sunflower
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Does that mean that you don't have her birth certificate to confirm her parents names?
There is an Emma Beaumont registered June qtr 1850 Hayfield Derbyshire Ref 19 652
Hayfield looks to be only a spit away south of Glossop on the map, but it might have been the registration district for the surrounding area.
This might help you along.
Mary
Hi,
thanks for your hard work; no i don't have Emma's birth certificate to confirm the parents names, but thats what i am trying to ultimately find . I realize what i have written is confusing ,it confuses me as i keep trying to work out the "Green name"!The person you mention looks interesting and i will follow that up if i can.
Paul
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Hi
This looks like Emma in the 1851 census index. It looks like her mother was Martha but there is no sign of a father.
Piece 2152 Folio 441. sch 26
Hayfield Reg. Dist.
Whitfield
Beaumont Martha 48
Beaumont Ellen 13
Beaumont Emma 1
Beaumont James 11
Beaumont Jane 7
Beaumont Martha 21
Beaumont Mary 25
Beaumont Sarah 16
Hope this helps
Sunflower
Hi this is fabulous as it is a missing census in my hunt for links . I only had the incomplete picture ie the 41, 71 and 81census info.The 41census mentions Ellen age 4. Ellen was baptised 22 Oct 1837 Holmfirth parents John Beaumont and Martha living at Underbank Wooldale . Esther Jane (or Jane as she has been written in the51c) turns up in the 71census at Scar Wood Terrace, Golcar ( home of the Walkdens incidentally)having not been born in the 41 c . The Beaumont researcher did not have a record of the 1851 census which now thanks to you records Emma for the first time( being only 1 year old ). We did not have the 51 census because the Beaumont researcher only had the surrounding area of Huddersfield. The fact that John Beaumont is missing from the 51 census is interesting i will need to see if he reappears in the 71c which i will confirm with the Beaumont researcher. Thank you again!
Paul
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This looks suspiciously like Emma in 1861
Chapel Street, Glossop
Charles Crompton Head M 25 Cabinet Maker Derbyshire Glossop
Hannah Wife M 25 Cotton Weaver " Litton
Alice Crompton Mother M 54 Housekeeper York Holmfirth
Emma Beaumont Visitor 11 " "
RG9/2549 Hayfield Glossop Folio 15 Page 27
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This looks suspiciously like Emma in 1861
Chapel Street, Glossop
Charles Crompton Head M 25 Cabinet Maker Derbyshire Glossop
Hannah Wife M 25 Cotton Weaver " Litton
Alice Crompton Mother M 54 Housekeeper York Holmfirth
Emma Beaumont Visitor 11 " "
RG9/2549 Hayfield Glossop Folio 15 Page 27
Hi this is most curious, i have not seen the 1961 census for Golcar ;i will have to cross check and see if Emma Beaumont is indeed absent from it, i will perhaps post this question on roots chat look ups for Huddersfield. Thinks.. Maybe Hannah might be Hannah Green ,maybe after John Beaumont disappears from the 51 c Emma was looked after here or was she just indeed visiting? There is also a Holmfirth connection with the Housekeeper ;very very interesting. More investigation into this family might turn up the answer!!Thank you!
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You have me a little confused between Glossop, Hayfield and Golcar and where and when and why :P It could be that the Emma Beaumont I gave the birth for is the Emma who is with the Cromptons.
Note that Alice Crompton, as well as having a Holmfirth connection, is not just housekeeper but mother to Charles.
There is also an Emma Beaumont in Golcar, born Golcar 1851, but with parents William and Mary, siblings Mary, Nancy, Martha, William.
Also an Emma Beaumont who is a servant in Huddersfield, born Huddersfield 1850.
If you can clarify where the family, particularly your Emma, was born and where and when they moved, we might be able to do an 1861 look up more easily. Perhaps you could give the full 1871 census and that might help.
Mary
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Hi Hobnob123:
Just have been reading your message re Beaumonts. Have you done a lot of research on the Beaumont surname? The reason I am asking is that I have a Ruth Beaumont who married John Crosland 1829 in Almondbury. They lived in Wooldale, Yks as well I have them on the 1841 and 1851 census living there. John Crossland and Ruth Beaumont are my 3xgrgrandparents.
Have you come across a Ruth Beaumont in your search. I don;t have much information yet on Ruth's or John's families yet.
Anne
Canada
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You have me a little confused between Glossop, Hayfield and Golcar and where and when and why :P It could be that the Emma Beaumont I gave the birth for is the Emma who is with the Cromptons.
Note that Alice Crompton, as well as having a Holmfirth connection, is not just housekeeper but mother to Charles.
There is also an Emma Beaumont in Golcar, born Golcar 1851, but with parents William and Mary, siblings Mary, Nancy, Martha, William.
Also an Emma Beaumont who is a servant in Huddersfield, born Huddersfield 1850.
If you can clarify where the family, particularly your Emma, was born and where and when they moved, we might be able to do an 1861 look up more easily. Perhaps you could give the full 1871 census and that might help.
Mary
I Think this is the same Emma as well don't get me wrong ; my interest in Golcar is merely that she turns up there in the 81c married to Charles Walkden having married him in 1874 and that Golcar then continued to be the hometown of the Walkdens well into this century.
I keep saying Glossop mainly because i am indoctrinated with this being Emma's birthplace due to the 1881 census-i fully appreciate it is more precise to say Hayfield.
Aah yes i hadn't noticed that thanks , so maybe Alice could be the sister of Martha,wife of John Beaumont. I don't know Martha's maiden name but her age is similar to Alice!?
Hopefully when my fellow Beaumont correspondent gets involved he will be able say something about these others.
Ps How do you make those smileys work?
Paul
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Hi Hobnob123:
Just have been reading your message re Beaumonts. Have you done a lot of research on the Beaumont surname? The reason I am asking is that I have a Ruth Beaumont who married John Crosland 1829 in Almondbury. They lived in Wooldale, Yks as well I have them on the 1841 and 1851 census living there. John Crossland and Ruth Beaumont are my 3xgrgrandparents.
Have you come across a Ruth Beaumont in your search. I don;t have much information yet on Ruth's or John's families yet.
Anne
Canada
Hi hopefully a person who has researched the Beaumont name(has 65,000 I think) in the area will be viewing these posts(I sent him the link) and he will read your post and hopefully get back to you.
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Hi Hobnob123:
Just have been reading your message re Beaumonts. Have you done a lot of research on the Beaumont surname? The reason I am asking is that I have a Ruth Beaumont who married John Crosland 1829 in Almondbury. They lived in Wooldale, Yks as well I have them on the 1841 and 1851 census living there. John Crossland and Ruth Beaumont are my 3xgrgrandparents.
Have you come across a Ruth Beaumont in your search. I don;t have much information yet on Ruth's or John's families yet.
Anne
Canada
Hi Anne ,
Lenny is not signed up to Rootschat but he had a look at your posting and he said to me the following..
"With regards to your Ruth Beaumont inquirer. I know of the marriage and that they both came from Austonley. If your researcher could forward me the census details ie the family and Ruth's age. I will see if I can identify her, but no promises, it is differcult at times to identify female lines when they marry pre census."
You can contact Lenny at lenny.beaumont@ntlworld.com
Regards
Paul
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You have me a little confused between Glossop, Hayfield and Golcar and where and when and why :P It could be that the Emma Beaumont I gave the birth for is the Emma who is with the Cromptons.
Note that Alice Crompton, as well as having a Holmfirth connection, is not just housekeeper but mother to Charles.
There is also an Emma Beaumont in Golcar, born Golcar 1851, but with parents William and Mary, siblings Mary, Nancy, Martha, William.
Also an Emma Beaumont who is a servant in Huddersfield, born Huddersfield 1850.
If you can clarify where the family, particularly your Emma, was born and where and when they moved, we might be able to do an 1861 look up more easily. Perhaps you could give the full 1871 census and that might help.
Mary
Hi Mary I have talked to the Beaumont researcher and all he said was the following about Emma...
"I think you will find that she is an illegitimate daughter of maybe Mary or Martha (the daughters of Martha.)- the other elder sisters claiming to be her Aunts. Green is more then likely her reputed father's name/surname?? The only way you are going to prove the mother is by getting a birth certificate. Martha is Martha Hinchliffe married to John Beaumont"
I have asked him a few more questions but this is all he said so far; as i don't know how to get her birth certificate I'm stuffed for the moment!
Paul
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There is an Emma Beaumont registered June qtr 1850 Hayfield Derbyshire Ref 19 652
If you think this is your Emma then you can order the birth certificate online at www.gro.gov.uk using the above information, cost of £7.
Mary
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I have just received the birth certificate for Emma Green registered June qtr 1850 Hayfield Derbyshire Ref 19 652 and it says the mother is Mary Beaumont as suspected . There is no father on the certificate.Emma was born 15\3 \ 1850 Greenvale Whitfield. Thankyou everyone for your help .
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I don't suppose any of you would have any info about Beaumonts would you? I had a relation - Alice Maud(e) Beaumont that married John Gibson Fouldes in 1912.
I have a few photo's and postcards that she's kept in her old books. However she hasn't labelled a lot of them. They could be Fouldes - or Beaumonts or just friends! I don't know, but if anyone has pics of the Beaumonts and knows what they look like then let me know and you may be able to help!!
Cheers
M J Fouldes