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Hi
I have been trying to locate Joseph DAWSON (my ggg grandfather) for a couple of years.
He was born c1775, and is recorded at his marriage as having been born in Levington.
He married Mary MAYHEW of Wissett on 08 Jun 1809 at Levington, but I can find no trace of him before then at Levington. The witnesses at their wedding were: John DAWSON and Sarah PARSON.
Working on the theory that the witness is often a brother, I looked for John DAWSON, and found John and Elizabeth DAWSON, both born in Wissett at the right time to be siblings, but no sign of Joseph. Their parents were John DAWSON and Grace, which would fit in with the fact that Joseph's first son was called John.
Joseph was a farmer and landowner. His first son was Joseph Mayhew DAWSON, and the next one was John. He was the resident of Stratton Hall, near Levington (where his family were born and grew up), and his brother William (my gg grandfather) had 2 windmills; one at Rushmere St Andrew, and one at California (Ipswich), and I know that they were a wealthy family.
I suspect that they originated around Wissett, but cannot be sure.
I have looked through the parish records for Levington, and found very few DAWSONs until Joseph's children were born.
I do not know where to look next, and do not have access to the Wissett parish records.
I would be most grateful if SKS could find a birth/christening for him.
His wife Mary MAYHEW was christened in Wissett on 22 Jul 1787, her parents being Robert MAYHEW and Elizabeth STOCKS (married 14 Aug 1782) at Wissett. Likewise, I can find no trace of either of either of them.
There were 3 other MAYHEWs (Nathaniel, William, and Samuel) having children in Wissett at the same time as Robert, but I can find no BDM for any of them either.
They too were all farmers of some standing, so it seems most strange that I can find no record of any of them.
It would be great if anyone could find any trace of either family, as I have been banging my head against this particular brick wall for a long time.
TIA (Thanks in Advance)
Regards
Phil HOW
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Hi Phil, I have looked at Wissett PRs for you today at the RO as best as I could, some of it is very feint. After 1813, the Wissett PRs have been transcribed and indexed and bound into a book so this was obviously far easier to search.
I could not find a birth or baptism for your Joseph Dawson but did find some information on the Mayhews (most of it post 1813). You may know this already, but I will list what I have found in case it is of some use to you.
All information relates to Wissett
Children of Robert Mayhew and Elizabeth (late Stocks):
George, baptised 4/3/1786
Mary, born 19/7/1787, privately baptised 22/7/1787, received into church 30/12/1787
Children of Nathaniel Mayhew and Hannah (late Balls):
John, baptised 26/6/1786
David, born 6/10/1787, baptised 7/10/1787
Children of John and Anne Dawson (late Cropton):
Rebecca, born 6/9/1789, bapt 7/9/1789
Charles, bapt 17/2/1793 (father listed as a pauper)
Children of Robert and Mary Mayhew (farmer):
Thomas Edgar baptised 2/10/1814
Mary, born 26/3/1818, baptised 13/4/1818
Children of Robert and Mary Mayhew (farmer):
William - no date but between 1813-1815
Charles, baptised 10/7/1815
Children of James and Hannah Mayhew (farmer):
Sarah, born 30/3/1826, bap 13/4/1826
William Spalding, baptised 27/2/1827
Thomas Spalding, baptised 16/5/1828
Mary Maria, baptised 12/5/1829
Fanny Spalding, baptised 7/5/1830
Burials
Grace Dawson (very feint), buried 20/4/1777
Elizabeth Mayhew of Halesworth, 1/3/1818 age 2
Charles Mayhew of Woodbridge, 10/1/1824 age 10
Edwin Mayhew of Wissett, 31/10/1824 age 5
Martha Mayhew, 30/3/1825 age 8
William Spalding Mayhew, 12/4/1827, age 6 weeks
Thomas Spalding Mayhew, 14/7/1828 age 2 months
Fanny spalding Mayhew, 9/5/1830 age 1 day
I hope some of this is useful, shame I couldn't answer your original query re: Joseph Dawson.
Regards
Anne
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Hi, and thanks very much for your time and effort.
The burials especially are most interesting. It seems to show a family connection with Wissett, as Elizabeth is from Halesworth, and Charles is from Woodbridge, yet they have been buried at Wissett.
Edwin is shown as being from Wissett, whilst he was christened on 10 MAR 1819 at Halesworth. of John MAYHEW and Rebecca. I cannot find a John and Rebecca marriage anywhere, so it is all very mysterious.
The MAYHEWs seem to have avoided public registration. Several of them are shown as being members of the Walpole Chapel, which may have kept it's own records. Who knows? They just don't seem to be very well recorded.
The "Children of Robert and Mary Mayhew" are slightly bemusing, as the IGI shows Thomas Edgar MAYHEW as being the son of Thomas MAYHEW and Mary, for whom likewise I can find no marriage.
It is as if there was a conspiracy to confuse anyone seeking Knowledge of the MAYHEWs!!
The burial for Grace DAWSON is excellent. It is at exactly the right time to be Joseph's mother, and if I cannot eventually find confirmation, I may have to assume that this is his mother. I won't give up yet though!!
Perhaps somewhere there are private family records for the DAWSONs, and for the MAYHEWs?
Anyway, thanks again for your help. It is so nice that someone is willing to give up their time to help others.
Regards
Phil HOW
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Marriages.
1812 / MAIHEW JN / SKARAT REB/ WISSETT
1780 / MAIHEW SAM / HAIHOW SARA/ HAWSTEAD
1780 / MAIHEW SAM / FLAT MARY/ HOLTON
1795 / MAIHEW WM / ASHLY LEWSY/ BRAMFIELD
1787 / MAIHEW WM / CARMAN SARA / FRESSINGFIELD
1782 / MAIHEW NATH / BALLS HAN/ WISSETT
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Thanks very much!
I already had the Nathanel marriage, but than you for John & Mary.
John would appear to be the son of Nathaniel. He was a Tailor, and lived to be 95. His wife died before 1861, so he must have had a lonely old age.
Thanks again
Regards
Phil
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I was interested to find this thread, as I am stuck on what may be the same Mayhew family.
On of my sets of g3-grandparents is Robert Mayhew and Sarah Ellett. Robert was a farmer (from his son Robert's marriage certificate), probably dead before the 1841 census. For Sarah I have:
Sarah Ellett
Farmer, Walpole in 1841
- farm off Peasenhall Road, possibly Threadbare Hall Farm (about 5 miles south of Wissett) -
c. 2 Apr 1799, Heveningham, parents David Ellett and Sarah Pierson
m. 26 Dec 1820, Walpole: Robert Mayhew
children:
Robert Mayhew (b 5 Feb 1823, Halesworth - cd a. Nov 1892)
Edward Mayhew (b 3 Jun 1825, Halesworth - )
The only local baptism for Robert Mayhew (senior) that seems to fit is in the family mentioned in this post, baptised in 1782 as the oldest of the 8 children of Robert Mayhew & Elizabeth Stocks of Wissett, who also include Mary, c. 1787.
I'd be very grateful if someone could look up the above entries for Sarah Ellett (marriage 1829, children 1823, 1825), to see if they give any useful additional info, especially on her husband. Please note that they both come from non-standard IGI sources, so I'm not sure which specific church or chapel they relate to. [By the way, The independent chapel in Walpole looks to be well worth a visit - see http://www.walpoleoldchapel.co.uk/index.htm ]
I have looked for other info on the 8 children of Robert Mayhew & Elizabeth Stocks. The only one I can find much on is Joseph William Mayhew,(1796-1850), who became a Dissenting Ministeri in Halesworth; he is with his wife Sarah Ann (Haward) and 7 of their 8 children there in the 1841 census. [But transcribed as "Mayham"; a proble for census lookups is that Mayhew seems a very easy name to mis-transcribe. What is probably his brother George is in Stepney with his family in 1841, treanscribed as Mayhan
/ Maghea (!).]
Best wishes
Denis
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PS - correction
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Apologies - I see I typed 1829 when I meant 1820; that should have read:
I'd be very grateful if someone could look up the above entries for Sarah Ellett (marriage 1820, children 1823, 1825), to see if they give any useful additional info, especially on her husband.
Denis
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PS(2) A search of the National Archives surprisingly came up with a marriage licence for the couple I was asking about ..
Marriage licence FC 72/D4/1 26 December 1820
Robert [...] Mayhew of the parish of Walpole, bachelor, age 24 and
Sarah Ellett of the parish of Kelsale, spinster age 21.
The age of Sarah fits with previous info; but if Robert is 24, he can't be the one from Wissett b 1782. There are no entries in the IGI for a Robert Mayhew born 1796 - the nearest is one in Westhall in 1794. However, the IGI doesn't include (for instance) the C of E church at Walpole.
I'd be grateful if anyone has access to that and can look him up.
Denis
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Previously given info about marriage and children:
Sarah Ellett
Farmer, Walpole in 1841
- farm off Peasenhall Road, possibly Threadbare Hall Farm (about 5 miles south of Wissett) -
c. 2 Apr 1799, Heveningham, parents David Ellett and Sarah Pierson
m. 26 Dec 1820, Walpole: Robert Mayhew
children:
Robert Mayhew (b 5 Feb 1823, Halesworth - cd a. Nov 1892)
Edward Mayhew (b 3 Jun 1825, Halesworth - )
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Not sure if this is any connection or not
St Sepulchre Holborn London marriage
Joseph Mayhew DAWSON of the parish of St Dunstan, Stepney, in the county of Middlesex, bachelor, and Mary Revett STEEL, of this parish, spinster, were married in this church by Licence, this Second day of April, in the year One Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty Two, by me J Bateman, MA, Curate
This marriage was solemnized between us Joseph Mayhew DAWSON (signed) and Mary Revett STEEL (signed)
In the presence of George MAYHEW (signed) and Mary Ann MAYHEW (signed)
Ian C
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Looking for a John Dawson b c1811, son of Joseph Dawson b c1780. John would have disappeared off the English map 1829 when he left England for Australia with his employer.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Kind regards
Kerryn
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Hi
replying to an old post by eyesee which I only just saw.
I already have this marriage, but thanks very much anyway.
Joseph Mayhew Dawson was the eldest brother of my gg grandfather William Dawson.
George (husband of Mary Ann) Mayhew, the witness was Joseph's uncle, being the brother of my ggg grandmother (Joseph and Wiliam's mother) Mary Mayhew.
George was baptised 04 Mar 1786 at Wissett, and lived at 43 Jubilee place, Mile End old Town, Stepney, where he was a Custom House Officer at least back to 1841, and where he lived until his death on 21st March 1852.
Cheers for that. I'm still researching, but have a wealth of info about the Dawsons and Mayhews of the area around Ipswich.
Regards
Phil
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Another brother of Mary and George Mayhew was Joseph William Mayhew (1796-1850), dissenting minister in Halesworth. They, and several others, were children of Robert Mayhew and Elizabeth Stocks, who married at Wissett on 14 Aug 1782 (Witnesses:Thomas Pags & George Howlett according to the IGI (FamilySearch)).
No less than 12 Public Family Trees - and a pedigree resource file on the IGI - claim that Robert was born in 1744/5/6 in Stradbroke (about 10 miles west of Halesworth), one of 13 children of Robert Mayhew & Martha Newman. These are all according to the pedigree resource file; the C18 registers for Stradbroke don't seem to be on the IGI.
Most of the family trees also claim that he lived till 1845 (aged 100/101 !), though one gives 1795.
My question is: where's the source for this Robert (b 1745ish in Stradbroke) being the one who married Elizabeth Stocks in Wissett in 1782? My strong suspicion is that the 12 trees are all copying each other or the PRF. If there is no strong evidence, there are other possiblilities for this Robert Mayhew, e.g. the one chr. 5 May 1751 Heveningham.
Denis
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It seems to be mainly circumstantial, and probably wouldn't stand up in court!
Robert Mayhew married Martha Newman 03 AUG 1742 Stradbroke, Suffolk
Robert had siblings James and Sarah (at least)
Robert the younger married Elizabeth Stocks.
His probable siblings include Robert, James, Sarah and Martha.
(Martha married James Balls, brother of Hannah who married Nathaniel.)
John Mayhew (presumed sibling of Robert the younger) also has children James, Robert, Sarah and Martha.
Apart from that it is only a matter of being in the right place at the right time.
Something concrete would be good1
Incidentally I'm the one that has Robert dying in 1795, which is patently incorrect, as his youngest son Samuel was born and buried in 1801 according to the Parish Records.
Sadly I cannot remember who gave me the info about Stadbroke, and I don't seem to have any sources either.
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Anyone missing a Joseph Dawson born around 1780 and son John Dawson born around 1806-11??
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My ggg grandfather was Joseph Dawson born c 1775. He is described as being from Levington, Suffolk, but his marriage says that both he and his wife Mary Mayhew are "of Wissett" in the North of Suffolk.
Their first son was Joseph Mayhew Dawson, and second son was John Dawson bap Levington 1811.
I have never found definite parents for Joseph, though John and Grace of Wissett seem the most likely.
Why do you ask? Where lies your interest?
Regards
Phil How
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Dear Phil
When you say "John Mayhew (presumed sibling of Robert the younger) also has children James, Robert, Sarah and Martha." are you referring to the John Mayhew who married Elizabeth Adams at Westhall in 1770? If so, this John is probably christened at Hedingham in 1747, son of John Mayhew & Mary Saunders ("age at marriage 23" supports this). So he's not the one christened in Stradbroke in 1745; and his brother Robert is christened 5 May 1751 in Heveningham, again not Stradbroke.
Quite separately, I do see problems with the supposed 13 children of Robert Mayhew and Mathta Newman, who married 3 Aug 1742 Stradbroke. They are given as parents of Robert, chr. 25 Mar 1744 (or should that be 8 Jan 1745/6?), but of the others, three are given as having mother Mary (no maiden name); one of these is christened before the marriage of Robert and Martha, and the others on 26 Mar 1744 and 23 Jul 1745, which doesn't leave room for Robert to be their brother. So it looks as though there was a second Robert Mayhew, with wife Mary, having children in Stradbroke at the same time as Robert and Martha. And then none of the other nine children have a cited christening record - is there a definite link for any of them to Stradbroke?
Sorry to be so negative, but it would be nice to clear this up, in case Stradbroke is a wild goose chase!
Best wishes
Denis
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Hi Denis
I am very interested in finding more information on the John Mayhews of Westhall and of Heveningham. I cannot seem to trace them back further with any degree of confidence. I would be so grateful for any information you have or guidance you may provide in this regard.
Best regards
Gord
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Dear Gord
Can you be more specific as to which John Mayhew you're interested in?
My g^5f John Mayhew is the one who married Elizabeth Adams in Westhall on 13 Nov 1770. He subsequently farmed in the next door parish of Redisham and died in 1823 leaving a very detailed will referring to his 10 or so children, the youngest of whom was my g^4f Robert Mayhew (1795-1831).
It seems likely that John was the one baptised in Jun 1747 in Heveningham (a few miles south of Westhall), with parents John Mayhew and Mary Saunders who married there in 1743.
The possible relationship of John to the Mary Mayhew of the original Rootschat posting here is that her father Robert (m Elizabeth Stocks 1782 Wissett) might be his brother, b 1751.
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Good morning. Thanks so much for getting back to me. The John Mayhew I am interested in is indeed the one who married Elizabeth Adams and had about 8 children in Westhall. My direct ancestor is John's son James, whose son Alfred emigrated to Quebec in 1836 as a pioneer to a community which came to be called Canterbury.
I have seen the family trees on ancestry that show the family going back to Henry Mayhew of Parham whose was a clockmaker. I was even able to purchase two of his clocks when I was based in London some 25 years ago. Now that I am retired I am really interested in learning more about the Mayhew family background. However, I have not been able to determine with any assurance that the ancestry path shown in the family tree is accurate beyond John and Elizabeth. Anything you can provide in this regard would be so appreciated.
Best regards
Gord
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Thanks for your reply.
I'm deeply suspicious of the link back to Parham, sadly, as I think I've said earlier on this thread.
I did have note of a John Mayhew born in Walpole in 1717 who sounds a more likely next generational step going backwards; but I can't at the moment find the source for this - it didn't come up on a search of ancestry and familysearch.
Have you seen John's will (made 1814, `proved' on his death in 1823)? It refers to 10 children, with quite a lot of detail. I could post a summary here or email it.
Denis
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Thanks Denis. Yikes! My whole life may be a lie, as well as my heirloom clocks. Thanks for the info on the Walpole John Mayhew; I will see if I can find anything on him. I do not have a copy of the John Mayhew Will and would really appreciate having a copy.
Gord