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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Bedfordshire => Topic started by: jimbohodge on Tuesday 18 October 05 12:12 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Does anybody have any information on the Custance family from Luton
and further back dunstable?
In particular a certian Thomas Custance born around 1860 in Luton.
Thanks
Jimbo
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Hi Jimbo,
I don't know this family but I can see them in 1871.
If you'd like the details, let me know RG10/1573 66 18
Tanja :)
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Hi,
Yes please, i would like full details if possible.
Thanks
Jim
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1871
Reference as above
12 Burr Street, Luton
Thomas Custance, head, 31, Blocker, b. Dunstable
Sarah, wife, 30, Sewer, b. Luton
Thomas, son, 10, scholar, b. do.
James, son, 9, scholar, b. do.
Rose, dau, 6, scholar, b. do.
Harry, son, 4, scholar, b. do.
Ellen, dau, 2, b. do.
Sarah, dau, 2, weeks, b. do.
and - bonus ;D
1861
RG9/1012 111 15
Luton, Bedfordshire
5 Bailey (Field Cottages?)
Thos Custance, head, 21, Labourer, b. Dunstable
Sarah, wife, 20, Bonnet sewer, b. Luton
Wm, son, 2, b. do.
Thos, son, 6mths, b. do.
Tanja :)
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And this seems to be little William in 1871
RG10/1574 7 5
Luton, Bedfordshire
Phebe Scrivener, wife, mar, 68, Plaiter
James, son, unm, 22, Labourer
William Custance, lodger, 12, Bonnet sewer
Everybody born Luton.
Tanja :)
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Coincidence?
FreeBMD has a marriage in June 1860 at Luton:
Thomas Custance, wife either Sarah Simpson or Sarah Scrivener :D
3b743
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The IGI at www.familysearch.org has the following extracted christening:
Sarah Scrivener
Christening 11 APR 1841 Saint Mary, Luton, Bedford
Father: PETER SCRIVENER
Mother: PHOEBE
Batch C016752
+ christening of 3 other children born to the same parents.
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check out the http://blars.adlibsoft.com/form.html
There is a death for a Thomas in the Luton district:
Deaths Mar 1876
Custance Thomas [age] 37 Luton 3b 297
Sounds like he is young Thomas's father?
See: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
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I have a family called Custance (as of the 1881 census ) in luton...but ALL of their birth records and marriage records show their surnames as Scrivener
I can trace them before 1881 using Scivener for the census too.
In particular I have the birth cert for Gertrude Dora Scrivener born 1892 showing her address as the same address as gertrude Custance's family in the census before and after her birth so it is the same family.
I just don't know why her father William Scrivener born 1858 and his wife Emma Oakley born 1855 started using the surname Custance as of the 1881 census.
To add to the confusion there was a william custance born a couple of years out from my william , also in luton , but i have located him elsewhere. Unfortunately people seem to presume that my william is that one and add these scrriveners into their custance trees .
The custance and scrivener families of Luton both went to the same church - St Mary's, Luton so the two families could well have known each other.
Does anyone know why william changed his name? was he adopted by the Sciveners as a child? This is possible as both he and many of sibling's birth records can't be located. Can anyone please explain this mystery?
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Hi Tieke,
My research suggests that your William (born 1858); was born before the marriage of his parents (Thomas Custance and Sarah Scrivener, 1860); hence, being named Scrivener at birth.
I'm guessing once he was old enough; he got his name legally changed to that of his father's; or 'just started using it'.
Your William was certainly the eldest brother of My Thomas (born 1860).
I have loads more info on the family; if you are interested, PM me with your Email address.
Jim
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thanks. - Makes sense , but can we be sure thomas is the father rather than step-father? i've sent my email address to you privately.
For anyone reading this in the future - I should have said 1891 in my post not 1881 ...oops.
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hi, i'm adding this bit a day or two later:
looking at births for william scrivener (later william custance) we have three options.
1)William Kitely Scrivener registered Sep 1856 - Luton
2)William Scrivener registered Sep 1857 - Luton
3)William Smith Scrivener registered Dec 1858 - Luton
the last one's christening record shows his father as James Scrivener, so he's the one on 1871 census i tracked by mistake with mother eliza.
the first one is a little early but not unreasonable
the second one matches the ages in the census so is most likely but not 100% without ordering it and checking the mother's name - and it won't tell me the father anyway. what I need is a church record in the hope of an unofficial comment by the priest as I have seen on some others.
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The Dunstable / Luton "Custance's" have their origins in a continous line back to Cambridgeshire to a Robert Custance born abt 1500.
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The Parish Records for Dunstable give a baptism date for James, son of James Custance and Sarah [Summerfield] 21 June 1801.
Who is James Robert Eggleston Custance ?
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just a side note of interest on thomas custance and sarah scrivener...
they were mentioned above as living on Burr St...slightly interesting that i have traced her ancestry to an Elizabeth Burr. Also interesting the family living at bailey cottages as the national archives has a document linking peter scrivener (her father) to a transfer of land / 1000 year lease where the land was called bailey field.
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bedfordshire/luton council have the doc i mention above plus two others i've found so far. one mentions bailey cottages and says that peter scrivener is deceased at the time of the document being 13 jan 1863. (he died somewhere between 8 oct 1859 and 13 jan 1863 based on their docs)
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Hi Lin
Thanks for your reply. this is a mistranscription on the IGI, not uncommon.
Dunstable Parish Records states; James Custance and Mary King maried Oct 25 1824.
Lakenham PR's state; Robert Eggleston and Mary Fisk married Oct 13 1824.
I think the researcher for the IGI had a bad day !!!
Norman Custance
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this is a mistranscription on the IGI, not uncommon.
You need to differentiate between member submissions, which are very unreliable, and extracted entries, which in my experience are very reliable.
I'm not in the least convinced that the transcriber has muddled marriages in Dunstable and Lakenham, as the latter marriage is shown on the IGI as Ecclestone, not Eggleston. There were however Eggletons living in Dunstable at the right time, and something, unusually, may have gone wrong with the transcription
David
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David
I am not convinced either. it was just that the year. month and the name, Mary, coincided.
Norman