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Title: I need help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: cyberbabe on Monday 17 October 05 17:44 BST (UK)
I have my 4xgrandfather, Hugh Tooley, who gives his birthplace as Whitehaven.

I've checked BVRI and IGI and come up with nothing.  I really don't know where to start as I have no geographical knowledge of the area, what churches existed in the time frame and what records are available and where.

Any advice would be appreciated.  He was born about 1828 and his parents are Robert Tooley, a Plasterer, and Rose Ann/Rosanna

Thanks

Alyson
Title: Re: I need help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Sooziecats on Monday 17 October 05 18:07 BST (UK)
Found this but you probably already have the info:
1881 Census

Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
 Hugh TOOLEY   Head   M   Male   53   Whitehaven, Cumberland, England   Plaiter     
 Ellen TOOLEY   Wife   M   Female   49   Liverpool, Lancashire, England       
 Jane TOOLEY   Dau   U   Female   19   Hyde, Cheshire, England   Cotton Weaver     
 Hugh TOOLEY   Son      Male   17   Hyde, Cheshire, England   Cotton Weaver     
 Ellen TOOLEY   Dau      Female   12   Hyde, Cheshire, England   Scholar     


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Source Information:
  Dwelling   67 Charles St
  Census Place Hyde, Cheshire, England
  Family History Library Film   1341830
  Public Records Office Reference   RG11
  Piece / Folio   3466 / 84
  Page Number   15

There appear to be quite a few Robert Tooley's in Whitehaven on Ancestry.co.uk.
Sorry I can't be of more help.

Sue B
Title: Re: I need help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tati on Monday 17 October 05 18:17 BST (UK)
I see in 1861 he is Hugh Toole and aged 28, which would make his birth ca. 1833. Do you already have this?
RG9/2558 158 43

Tanja  :)

If you google Whitehaven+genuki you will find this which might help: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CUL/Whitehaven/

And he's aged 39 in 1871 RG10/3652 108 44
Title: Re: I need help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: cyberbabe on Monday 17 October 05 19:15 BST (UK)
Hi Tanja

Thanks for that.  Yep, I have him on every census apart from 1841...transcribed as Texley in 1891!

He really can't decide when he was born, he even states Liverpool as his birthplace on one census although I've checked the parish registers there (2 of his siblings were born there) and I can find nothing for him.

Basing his age on the census when he was at home with his mother (1851), his marriage cert and his death cert, all are consistent with a birth year of 1828/1829

I just don't have a clue where to start looking

Alyson

Title: Re: I need help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Andi R on Tuesday 25 October 05 19:33 BST (UK)
Churches in the area, town centre:

St James (High Street) CoE
St Nicholas (Lowther Street) CoE
Holy Trinity (Scotch Street / Irish Street) CoE
Christchurch (Newtown, Ginns) CoE

All records available in Scotch Street, Records Office

Andrew
Title: Re: I need help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Lancashire Lou on Tuesday 25 October 05 19:49 BST (UK)
Andrew

That's brilliant, thank you so much.....I'm going to revise my initial thoughts on Hugh now, though.

We received his marriage certificate yesterday...1851 and he was a minor so think he was adding years on to make himself older on the census.  Either that or he had no idea when he was actually born

Think we're going to have to see whether the RO do any kind of search service as there's no way I can get to Whitehaven, so at least all this info now narrows down what I'll need to ask for (I'm disabled and Ali's in the States!)

Many thanks again

Ali & Lou
Title: Re: I need help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Andi R on Tuesday 25 October 05 19:57 BST (UK)
Got a James Toole baptised St Nicholas 1746 March 24th son of a William Toole a labourer

An Ann Tooley buried November 1772 Widow St Nicholas

A child of John Toole Jun 21st 1771 buried St Nicholas

Mary Daug of William Toole 28th Apr 1745 buried St Nicholas

All from parish record books by Cumbria FHS of St Nichs up to 1834

Andrew

Title: Re: I need help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Lancashire Lou on Sunday 30 October 05 01:03 BST (UK)
Thanks for the burial info....will make a note of those!

Lou
Title: Re: I need help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Andi R on Sunday 30 October 05 01:33 BST (UK)
If I see anymore I'll note them down

Its not a name to forget, in the politest way

I do know a Toomey

Andrew
Title: Re: I need help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Andi R on Saturday 03 December 05 15:12 GMT (UK)
Guess what I have found??

Only a reference to a Mary Ann Tooly in a letter which is printed in the back of a book called "newhouses a celebration" it's written in the local dialect

it's just a one line mention of a name, that someone knew, obviously must have lived on "Middle Row" Newhouses.

Not much I know but we know where one lived, and we know that this area was demolished and all the residents moved to "Woodhouse" sadly this was after 1930 so no census records available.

Andrew