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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: blackwood on Saturday 15 October 05 07:09 BST (UK)
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can anybody tell me where a lily and bernard shorrock are buried,i know they were living in moston in 1914 where bernard was in the police force, i have been trying to find out when and where they died,i think bernard remarried after lily died.
thanks
dawn
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Hi Blackwood
Have you anymore information please? Such as their dates of birth etc?
Cheers
Jan ;)
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hi jan bernard was born in blackburn 1883,mved to east stonehouse to join navy married lily nancarrow born 1885 in tavistock,married in 1905 registered in plymouth,most of the children were born in devon, moved to moston in about 1912 where bernard joined police they had 2 more children there norman and olive then i am stuck,my grandmother was born in eaststonehouse in 1909 but must have gone to school in moston somewhere,but nobody knows nothing sadly she died in 1937 giving birth to asecond child and my mother was only 3 so knows nothing about her.any help with anything would be great
thanks
dawn
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Hi Dawn
Sorry to see you still at a dead end with this one. have a look at this link and the 2nd last posting it is from a Sue Shorrock living in Manchester and seems to know a bit of Moston .... Maybe this is the bit of luck you need.http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/001ewm/021a_rm/index2.html
Regards
Ken
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hi ken
dawn here again i tried to send sue shorrock a message but it was returned by postmaster.do you know where ashton-under-lyme is my mum seems to remember a some stage she went to see bernard when she was 14 in 1948 and he was living there then as a police sargent but she was only allowed the once by her dad. i know i might sound stupid not knowing where anywhere is in manchester but i have never been there i am in wales and have been most of my life
thanks
dawn
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Dawn
do you mean Ashton-Under-Lyne, this is a town about 5/6 miles out of Manchester
Very-long-link to Multimap (http://uk.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=395000.972515617&Y=400000.083617692&width=700&height=400&gride=393190.972515617&gridn=399736.083617692&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=freegaz&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=1&scale=200000)
Regards
Ken
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Hi Dawn
What a piece of luck ;D
Came across this grave very much by chance, you can see how small it is against the headstone, I was looking at a war grave when I saw this and remembered you were looking for Shorrock and Nancarrow. I am more than sure they are who you are looking for
Lily Shorrock (34) & Mary Nancarrow (94)
The grave is located in Philips Park Cemetery (K N/C Section), Manchester
Regards
Ken
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Hi Dawn
I have managed to get a bit more info on Bernard.
Name: Bernard Shorrock
Collar No and Rank: B70, then A Division Sergeant
Joined: 21.02.1912
Age: 28 years 11 months
Height: 6ft 0.5ins
Complexion: Fresh
Eyes: Hazel
Hair: Brown
Born: Blackpool, Lancashire
Trade: Navy
Status: Married
Previous Public Service: Royal Marine Light Infantry 12 years
Removal: 21.02.1938
Reason: Superannuated (pensioned)
Born may be a typo error of the transcriber
Regards
Ken
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thanks ken where do you get all your info? that is definitely my ggrandad,muriels father i will print it off now and the pictures you gave me of lily and mary mum will be well pleased.mum told me her mother was a telephonist in manchester from leaving school where ever that was until she married my grandfather would you by any chance know of anywhere there could have been a telephone exchange
thanks again
dawn
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Hi Dawn
That is the only info the Manchester Police archives have on him, as for a phone exchange I have no idea on that one, but will keep a look out for you.
Ken
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the info you gave me was great on bernard mum will be pleased i will just keep trying on the telephonist thing
thanks
dawn
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hi ken dawn here have you by any chance printed a copy of the close up picture of lily shorrock and mary nancarrow you took,i have shown my mum she asked me to thank you.she told me to look closely at it and at the top of the sh in shorrock it looks like a pair of eyes mum was wandering was it actually on the stone would people of actually had a picture of any sort on there stone it just looks a bit spooky when you have a close look.
well take care if i don,t here from you and have a lovely christmas
dawn
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Hi dawn
WoW it does look spooky, just enlarged that area. Now it looks like a full head of some martian type person. :o a long forehead, eyes, cheeks, stumpy nose, mouth, chin :o
But I think we can safely say it is just a natural oddity on the headstone captured at that moment in time ;D
Best wishes for a merry christmas to you and your family.
Regards
Ken
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thanks for having a look ken was a bit creepy even worse when you enlarge it,told mum it was probably nothing, you have a great xmas and new year
dawn
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Hi Dawn,
Just been looking at info on Bernard Shorrock as I thought I'd have a go at starting our family tree. I see that you are already well into it now. Bernard is my great grandfather, George is my Grandfather and Donald my father. Do you have a copy of a newspaper cutting of Bernard from the Evening Chronicle with regards to his retirement as I have a copy and could send it to you. Could you just keep me up-to-date with a quick overview on how you are related etc.
Thanks
Debbie
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hi debbie
dawn here bernard was also my great grandfather muriel was my grandmother and patricia is my mum, i am sure donald phoned me one day and said he would get in touch again.muriel died giving birth to a second child when mum was 3 and was not told anything about any family that existed, i have found out quite a bit i am sure it was donald who sent me a copy of the retirement of bernard. Because muriel died so young we can` seem to find anything about her i know she was a telphonist before she married grandad in 1933 but thats it.myself and my husband have taken over a pub in meliden near rhyl so have been really busy for a while i will get back toyou in a bit i just have to go down and lock up
take care
dawn
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i also have the same info as ken,your g/father gives his place of birth as blackpool.
this man is the only bernard shorrock to have served in ww1.
private bernard shorrock
army service corps
M2/147270
mack
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Hi Debbie
It is great when a connection can be made ;D
I know Dawn has been looking for Bernards burial site for ages, Have you any idea of its location, if it is in the manchester area I would be willing to find and photograph it for both of you.
Regards
Ken
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hi ken
dawn long time no here from you i have been busy for a while it was great to here from someone after so long it would be great if debbie knows where bernard is buried it would be great to know and have apicture to show mum thanks again ken
dawn
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Hi Dawn,
Thanks for your reply. I spoke to Don (my brother) yesterday while we were at my dad's(also Don)70th Birthday and he said he had contacted you,but there must have been some confusion as he thought you were going to get in touch. Unfortunately I don't know where Bernard was buried as I am very new to all of this. I did try tracing our roots about 10 years ago but it took too much time with having a young family. The only item I have is a copy of Bernards Birth certificate. Sorry can't be of more help. Dad said he has a photo of himself as a child with Great Grandad somewhere (presumably out of uniform) if I find it I will send you a copy. By the way my grandads name was Leonard not George. don't know where I got that idea from! How long have you been tracing our family tree for?
Debbie
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Hi Ken,
Could you tell me what is your link to the 'Shorrock' family tree?
Sorry it's short and sweet but don't know anything about you!
thanks
Debbie
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hi debbie
i have been trying for about 3 years with the family tree,ken has been a great help he found bernards wife lilys grave for me i met him through rootschat. if donald finds the picture would be great to have a copy
love
dawn
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Hi Debbie
Ouch!
The connection was You and Dawn
You wont know anything about me because I have nothing to do with your tree, I live in an area of Manchester that the Shorrocks & Nancarrows lived.
Here on Rootschat help is on hand from 1000's of members all over the world. I myself do a lot of grave hunting, map research & anything else I can do to help a fellow Rootschatter, I try to find a physical connection (graves,roads,house's,area's,photos etc) to other peoples ancestors who lived in North & East Manchester plus some areas of Salford. This is what I have been doing for Dawn.
Regards
Ken
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Hi Dawn
Have you got anywhere with Bernard? if not this may be him
I have found on the BMD index
Bernard Shorrock Q4 1957 Manchester 10e 486 aged 74 - that makes this Bernard born the same year as yours 1883.
Also a search of http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk you will find a Bernard Shorrock buried in 1957.
Unfortunately this web site charges for the grave details, so its up to you if you want to check.
Regards
Ken
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ARRRrrrghhhhhhhhhh :P
Just logged into the website (r well never mind, must have had 1 credit left)
It is him - he is buried along with
Lily Shorrock
Mary Ann Nancarrow
In Section H 833 Non Conformist
The others listed below might be buried in one of the other sections (CofE - RC) etc
Deceased Name Cemetery Section Grave
Harriet Flanagan Philips Park H 833
Thomas William Flanagan Philips Park H 833
Margaret Fanny Prestage Philips Park H 833
Lily Shorrock Philips Park H 833
Alfred Charles Flanagan Philips Park H 833
Bernard Shorrock Philips Park H 833
Mary Ann Nancarrow Philips Park H 833
Well at least I can knock him off my list of people to keep a look out for :)
Regards
Ken
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thanks alot ken that must be him i thought it was about that time but was`nt sure, i am really grateful will let my mum know
thanks again
take care
dawn
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Hi, Deb and everyone.
Dawn
Copy and paste the HTML into your adress bar to see the image of Bernard .
Click on the image to supersize.
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Sorry , copy and paste this into your adress bar
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/cuddly/bernardshorrock.jpg
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Hi donshorrock
What a fantastic conclusion to this posting - shame his name was not included on the headstone.
Should anybody wish to visit the site here is a map and general location of grave
Regards
Ken
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