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PLEASE HELP I am going quietly mad trying to trace my Grandfather Samuel Percy Leach b1888 /1891 m1915 @Loughborough Leicestershire
He moved to Nottingham sometime after he married where he died in 1964, his wife's name was Florence Mabel Ashford.
I have tried everthing army records 1901 census HELP
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HI
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JANE
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Hi BJB
Welcome to Rootschat 8)
Do you have any idea where Samuel Percy was born?
FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ has a birth of a Percy Samuel Leach, March Quarter 1891 in Warwick Registration District.
If you can't find him in the censuses (I couldn't see a match in 1891 or 1901 in Leicestershire at first sight), you might have to get hold of his marriage certificate to find out his father's name.
From there on, he might be easier to spot.
Tanja :)
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Hi BJB
Welcome to Rootschat 8)
Do you have any idea where Samuel Percy was born?
FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ has a birth of a Percy Samuel Leach, March Quarter 1891 in Warwick Registration District.
If you can't find him in the censuses (I couldn't see a match in 1891 or 1901 in Leicestershire at first sight), you might have to get hold of his marriage certificate to find out his father's name.
From there on, he might be easier to spot.
Tanja :)
Hi Tanja
Thank you for the reply, I have made an error in his date of birth it was 1888 or 1893 not 91, no I have no idea where Samuel was born that is the problem, his father's name was John Leach,and his occupation as quoted on Samuel's marr cert a Miller, that is all I have except Samuel' m & d.
I know he liked to be called Percy so I have looked under that name as well, he was a mier when he arried in 1915.
I do know that he lived in Loughborough in 1920 because my Mother's birth cert states the address.
The address he was living at in 1901 was empty on the night of the census so cannot get info from there.
Thank you again Tanja.
Beryl
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HI
GLAD YOU FOUND OUT HOW TO POST TOPIC
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JANE
Hi Jane
Thanks for the best wishes, but do not hold out much hope as I cannot get a small scrap to start me off.
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BJB,
When you say he was born either 1888 or 1893, is it because the 2 certificates you hold (marriage and death) have him a different age?
- Age at death is obviously :P not given by the the dead himself - was the informant a close relative?
- Age at marriage is given by the groom himself. One can of course imagine reasons for not saying the truth: when under age (shouldn't apply here) or when there's a big age difference between the 2 spouses etc.
The problem we have is that Leach is far from being a rare name :(
What age does he state at marriage? I'll have another look.
Tanja :)
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Oh, I see you have another thread regarding this man here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,96289.0.html
That's where I'll post if I can find something.
Tanja :)
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:) Hi Tati
The person who reg the death was his son, Samuel's age was stated as 77yrs old, and his age at the time of marriage was 22yrs old.
He was married in 1915 at Loughborough and a miner, his father was John Leach a Miller,
His wife was Florence Ashford.
Thank you for trying to help
BJB :)
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BJB,
Just out of interest, do you know if either of the witnesses of Samuel's marriage are connected to him? Could one of the witnesses be a brother or an already married sister? I know its a very long shot, especially if he married away from home, but I managed to find a branch of my family by researching the witnesses. :)
Do you know if Samuel served in the First World War or which regiment he may have served with?? That seems like your best bet at the moment for finding him, though from what you say it sounds as though you have already searched and searched for that information.
I seem to be in the same boat as you at the moment, I have a rellie's marriage cert, date of death and father's name, but because I don't know where she was born, I can't find her anywhere! Frustrating isn't it!! I wish they could have put "place of birth" on a marriage certificate, it would have been so useful!! :-\ >:(
Best wishes,
millerina :)
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Hi Millerina :)
Thank you for taking the time to get intouch, it might be a possible source to try the witnesses, it is all I have to go on thanks. ???
I did try the Army but they could not help I hired a researcher to visit Kew, her thoughts are that his record was lost when they bombed the records office.
I am going mad trying to find him, as he was my Mother's Father and vital to start the tree :'(
Thank you again.
BJB
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There seem to be some Samuel's with father John but the ones I see are in Lancashire (I didn't check every entry though) - none of which a miller.
This is tough! Would we love to see the 1911 census!
What I'd do if he were mine is search a complete BMD index (I understand Family relatives has the births indexed from late 1860s through early 20th century), note every possible birth (+ subsequent death) and search for the boys in the census returns in the hope to eliminate one or the other.
I notice you talk about army records - was he in the army? If so, I suggest you put a post on the army board - they often come up with amazing things on there!
Is there anything you know about Samuel Percy's siblings?
Tanja :)
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It might be worth you splashing out on some credits on 1837online, to look through all the births registered for Leach for the appropiate years. With it being a common name this may not be practical, though. If you are within access of London, you can go and look at the index books yourself. This way you would compile a list of all Percy Samuel and Samuel Percy Leach's births registered at that time, and would then have the task of narrowing it down.
Was he definitely a miner, and his dad a miller? Or is it bad writing and they were both either millers or miners?
Do you know if he had any siblings - If they have unusual names they might help find the family in 1901
Did he leave a will? That might direct you to neices and nephews, and then back to brothers and sisters.
You say you had an address for 1901, but it was empty - what was your source for that address? Have you tried it for 1891, before he was born I know, but maybe his parents and older siblings if any were there.
Just a collection of rambling thoughts really, maybe to help you get a lead.
Dont give up, sometimes these mysteries go on for many years and then suddenly you get a lead from some unexpected source.
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Looks like tati and I were thinking along similar lines and posted about the same time!!!!
Great minds.......
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Thank you Lizdb & Tati :)
I have checked the marr cert again and quite sure the occupations are correct.
I do not know if he had any sibling etc ???
The address I got from the marr cert & thought I would check on 1901 in case his family resided there before his marr in 1915.
Tomorrow I will go to the 1891 and check.
Thank you both for your kindness in trying to help me.
BJB :)
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Hi all I am trying to find info on a Leach family from Darwen
Lancashire
all i have is a few details
Joshua Leach b 1894 married a SARAH CRAWSHAW
Norman Leach b 1900c
Leonard Leach b1900c
I'm am after their parenets names and any other info
I also know that Joshua either died or lefted his wife in 1938-40 just after my father in law was born
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Hi barbs :)
I can see a matching Joshua in 1901 as follows:
RG13/3924 153 23
Darwen, Lancashire
41 Hoddesden (sthg)
Robert Yates, head, s, 66, coal miner Hewer, b. Oswaldwistle
Jonathan, brother, s, 63, Retired coal miner hewer, b. do.
Joshua Leach, brother in law, m, 59, Coal carter Carm own acct, b. Pickup Bank
Ann Leach, sister, mar, 60, b. Oswaldwistle
Joshua Leach, nephew, 6, b. Darwen
We'll have to try and find out how they are connected ???
Sorry, I don't have any time right now. Hope this gets you started and somebody else can help further.
Tanja :)
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The JOSHUA LEACH nephewis my husbands grandfather.
can u keep looking when u have time
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Well, I can't find a good match for the other children in 1901, unfortunately.
Tracing Joshua the elder back, I see him in 1881 with his wife Ann and the following children:
Ann age 6 b. Over Darwen
Joshua age 9 b. Over Darwen
Thurston Findley age 12 b. Over Darwen.
The reference is RG11/4208 104 12 - you can look it up for free at either www.familysearch.org or www.ancestry.co.uk
We could imagine Joshua the elder is the grandfather of your Joshua. Unfortunately, none of the boys has a Norman or Leonard living with him in 1901.
1901:
RG13/3923 38 14
15 Duxbury Street, Darwen
Thurston Leach, head, 31, Moulder (?) Clay, b. Hoddlesden
Rhoda, wife, 31, b. Darwen
Victoria, dau, 3, b. Darwen
Marsden, son, 1, b. Darwen
RG13/3921 125 28
Darwen, 25 London Terrace
Joshua Leach, head, Sanitary pipe (sthg), b. Darwen Hoddlesden
Alice, wife, 29, Cotton weaver, b. Bethorn
I think you would need to get hold of Joshua's birth cert to sort out who he actually belongs to.
FreeBMD has the following birth:
December quarter 1894
Registration district Blackburn
Volume 8e page 457
I also see the births of
Norman Leach registered in December quarter 1902
Leonard Leach, September quarter 1901
both in Blackburn - which would explain why I can't see them in 1901.
Sorry I'm not able do do more for the moment. But please come back to me once you have the cert - we'll certainly be able to trace them a little further back one we have his parent's names.
Tanja :)
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These r my 3 LEACHS
FreeBMD has the following birth:
December quarter 1894
Registration district Blackburn
Volume 8e page 457
I also see the births of
Norman Leach registered in December quarter 1902
Leonard Leach, September quarter 1901
both in Blackburn - which would explain why I can't see them in 1901.
THis is the same info I have on them from my father in law.
Anymore info on them.
We believe that they all live in OLIVE LANE ,Darwen
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Sorry, I can't help more - the last accessible census is 1901. If nobody has them in their family tree to tell you more, I'm afraid you will have to order the birth cert.
Tanja :)
Unless your father-in law knows his grandparents' names, of course.
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my garnadfather in law died when my father in laww was only 3 months old