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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dunbartonshire => Topic started by: andrew shanks on Monday 10 October 05 11:28 BST (UK)
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The artist Norah Neilson Gray (1882-1931) was born in Helensburgh but moved to Glasgow with her family around 1901.
She studied at Glasgow School of Art and later taught design and drawing there and at St Columba's School in Kilmacolm. By 1910 she had a studio in Bath Street and had held her first one-woman show in Glasgow, having previously submitted works to exhibitions at the Royal Academy, the Glasgow Institute and in Paris.
I am seeking any information about Norah's family and would be grateful for any assistance with this.
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I have just noticed your post from 2005 and wonder whether you can help.Do you know whether, during the First World War, Norah Neilson Gray had a brother, other relative or friend called Willie? (other name unfortunately not known). He fought in the war. Second, have you come across a friend of Norah N. G. called Mary Robertson who lived at Perth during WW1? Finally, do you have any examples of Norah N. G's handwriting? Any help gratefully received!
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This article mentions a sister Tina and parents George Gray & Norah Neilson-
http://pictify.saatchigallery.com/759652/artemis-dreaming-little-brother-1921-norah-neilson-gray
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Norah was my 2nd cousin and, although she did not have a brother named William, there were several Williams in the family - however, I would really need a bit more information before I could try to identify the person you are looking for.
I don't know anything about a friend named Mary nor do I have examples of Norah's handwriting.
Regards
:-)
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Hi, some things on the family.
Norah Neilson Gray born:1882 Row, Dunbarton
parents: George Gray & Norah Neilson
siblings to Norah N. Gray:
Agnes born: 26 March 1872 Anderston, Glasgow
Andrew born: 3 March 1873 Anderston, Glasgow
James Neilson born: 10 Aug 1874 Row, Dunbarton
Margaret Muriel born: 1879 Row, Dunbarton
Tina born: 1884 Row, Dunbarton
Marriage:
George William Gray
married
Norah Neilson
28 February 1871
in Falkirk, Stirling
Deaths:
Norah Neilson Gray died:1922 Hillhead, Glasgow
George Gray died: 1918 Row, Dunbarton
Births:
George William Gray born: 23 Sept 1843 bap: 15 Nov 1843 Old Monkland, Lanark
Parents:Andrew Gray & Margaret Stewart
siblings to George W. Gray:
Janet Jopp born: 10 July 1838 bap: 12 Aug 1838 Old Monkland, Lanark
Elizabeth McPhee born: 19 March 1840 bap:26 April 1840 Old Monkland, Lanark
James born: 25 May 1859 Edinburgh, Midlothian
Marriage of George W. Gray's parents:
Andrew Gray
married
Margaret Stewart
27 Nov 1836 Glasgow or 8 Dec 1836 Old Monkland, Glasgow
** Scotlands people have 2 marriages for them. It may have something to do with the fact that Andrew was the Minister of Dumbarton.
Birth:
Norah Neilson
8 February 1849
Falkirk, Stirling
father: James Neilson
mother: Agnes Neil
siblings to Norah Neilson:
Jean bap: 21 Nov 1830 Falkirk, Stirling
John bap: 29 April 1832 Falkirk
Clementina born: 23 March 1834 bap: 20 April 1834 Falkirk
Agnes born: 4 June 1836 bap: 22 Aug 1836 Falkirk
Thomas bap: 13 Feb 1838 Falkirk
James bap: 16 April 1840 Falkirk
Thomas bap: 15 Feb 1842 Falkirk
William bap: 11 Sept 1843 Falkirk
Theodore bap: 15 Dec 1851 Falkirk
Charles Stirling bap: 5 January 1854 Falkirk
* Norah has at least 1 more brother Robert whose birth I could not locate. He was 3 yrs older than Norah. It may be possible there were others given the gap between 1843-1851.
Marriage of Norah's parents:
James Neilson
married
Agnes Neil
18 Sept 1830
in Polmont, Stirling
Hope this helps, Kim
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Hello Kim
Many thanks for this. I have a WW1 postcard sent by "Norah" (no other names) from the Scottish Women's Hospital at Royaumont Abbey in France. I am trying to find out whether this could be Norah Neilson Gray, who was a VAD nurse there, hence my interest in her handwriting. A bit of a long shot - I know of another Norah based at Royaumont and of course there could well have been others too.
I have traced a descendant who owns a wonderful self-portrait painted by Norah N. G., and will check with him whether he recognises the handwriting.
Regards, Philip
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Marriage of George W. Gray's parents:
Andrew Gray
married
Margaret Stewart
27 Nov 1836 Glasgow or 8 Dec 1836 Old Monkland, Glasgow
** Scotlands people have 2 marriages for them. It may have something to do with the fact that Andrew was the Minister of Dumbarton.
No. Nothing to do with him being minister of Dumbarton. Andrew Gray did not became minister of Dumbarton until 1843.
What it has to do with is that at the time of their marriage one of the couple lived in Glasgow and the other lived in Old Monkland (which is not in Glasgow - it is a separate parish in its own right). Therefore their banns had to be proclaimed in both parishes, resulting in a record being created in both parishes. There would have been only one wedding ceremony, most likely in the bride's parish.
According to Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae he was born in Bothwell in 1806, second son of George Gray, merchant, educated at the Universities of Glasgow and Edinburgh, licensed by the Presbytery of Hamilton in 1828, served as schoolmaster at Baillieston Toll, then missionary in Old Monkland before being ordained to Crosshill in 1835. He was transferred to Dumbarton in 1843.
Fasti also notes that he married Margaret Stewart in 1836, and had Janet Jopp, in 1838, Elizabeth McFie in 1840 and George in 1843. No mention of James. Margaret Stewart or Gray died in 1854, and her husband in 1881.
Fasti quotes The God's Acres of Dunbarton by Macleod, pages 54-58.
I note a baptism in the Community Contributed IGI of Andrew, son of George Gray and Elizabeth McPhee, in Bothwell in 1801, and a Community Indexed one for Margaret Stewart, daughter of William Stewart and Janet Jopp, in Glasgow in 1806.