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Hi all,
i am looking for details of a family I believe living in 125 Spon lane Coventry in 1851
Edward Pickering app 50
Margaret
Edward 12
Ann 10
i have a reference that may apply
pro ho/107/2067/folio:406 page 32
many thanks
Ruth
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Here they are.
1851 England Census
Aeten Pickering abt 1802 Much Wenlock, Shropshire, England Head Coventry St Michael Warwickshire
Ann Pickering abt 1842 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter Coventry St Michael Warwickshire
Edward Pickering abt 1839 Birmingham Son Coventry St Michael Warwickshire
Margaret Pickering abt 1803 Church Stretton, Shropshire, England Wife Coventry St Michael Warwickshire
Rita.
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Hi Rita,
Thank you very much. It is a bit odd that they are not showing on the original. His name was Edward Acton Pickering so obviously dropped the Edward! Were there any other family members there at all?
Many thanks
Ruth
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Hi Ruth
I couldn't find them on the census return, the page numbers have been mistranscibed.
As far as I know they are the only ones in the household.
Rita.
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Hi Ruth,
As Rita says they are not showing on the census return on the page they should according to the reference ::)
Have had a look through several pages either side, and looking at the folio numbers at the top of the pages nothing ties up, the reference comes up on the image no. not the page no., something obviously wrong somewhere ???
Looking at the original index there is one more family member :
HO107/2067 folio 406 page 33
Spon St. 125 Coventry
Acton Pickering Head 49 Master Cooper Much Wenlock Shropshire
Margaret Pickering wife 48 Cotton Winder Church Stretton, Shropshire
Edward Pickering son 12 Errand Boy Birmingham
Ann Pickering dau 9 Cotton Winder West Bromwich
Mary Potts Mother Wid 74 ----- Farndon MNM
Susan :)
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Hi Susan,
Many thanks for the extra info. Ann Pickering is my gg grandmother. Her brother Edward, (the errand boy!),was one of the first mayors of Durban, South Africa and was very well known.
The family emigrated to South Africa in 1861.
Once again thank you,
Ruth
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To: rutti tutti (and others interested in Edward Pickering, 1839-1906, of Durban, South Africa)
From: PickeringGrandChil of California, USA
Perchance, are you familiar with Edward Pickering's descendants? I would love to hear what you can tell me of my South African relations, especially Joseph Thomas Pickering (Edward's son), my great grandfather.
His first wife was Blanche Gertrude Shepherd of Portsea, Southampton. While pregnant with my grandmother (Blanche Gladys Pickering, 1898-1981), she was sickly so she returned to England. My grandmother was born aboard ship before it docked in Southampton. Grandmother, Great Grandmother, and Great Grand Aunt returned to South Africa, but when Blanche Gertrude Shepherd became even more ill they returned to England where Blanche Gertrude Shepherd died (in 1905, I think). Her sister, my great grand aunt, would not return my grandmother to the wilds of South Africa, so she took my grandmother and immigrated to Canada.
I do have copies of Edward Pickering's will and other documents, including two letters from Joseph Pickering found in my grandmother's papers after she died. I have not resolved the ancestry of Edward Pickering's mother "Margaret Raybould," nor do I understand why the 1851 census seems to name her mother "Mary Potts."
I will try to check back to see if there is any elucidation you (or others) may be able to provide. If you want, I can provide more details of this Pickering diaspora to America.
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Hi there,
Welcome to Rootschat
This is fascinating! I am in contact with another Pickering here in South Africa. I am happy to share any info and would love to see a copy of his will.
many thanks
Ruth
PS
Joseph did marry again in 1910
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My copy of the will of Edward Pickering (1839-1906) is hard to read so I transcribed it today. Two points that I noted:
1) He leaves property bequests to all his children except Edward Henry Pickering, but does include him in the equal apportionment of the residual of his estate amongst some of his children.
2) He leaves a property bequest to Joseph Thomas Pickering, but leaves him out of the equal apportionment of the residual of his estate amongst some of his children.
What follows is the first page (character limit of 5500):
This is the LAST WILL and TESTAMENT of me EDWARD PICKERING of Durban in the Colony of Natal, Importer and General Storekeeper. I hereby revoke cancel and make void all previous Wills, Codicils or other Testamentary Acts heretofore made or executed by me.
I hereby nominate constitute and appoint my son BENJAMIN ALFRED PICKERING and my Son-in-Law WILLIAM MOYSE HENDERSON Assistant Town Clerk, Durban or the survivor to be the Executors or Executor of this my Will and Administrators or Administrator of my Estate and effects hereby giving and granting to them and each of them all such power and authority as are required or allowed in Law especially those of assumption and substitution.
I hereby make the following bequests that is to say:-
To my dear wife HARRIET PICKERING (born CAMP) I give the whole of my Household Furniture and private personal effects, together with the use and occupation of any dwelling house belonging to me she may choose for the term of her natural life or for so long as she may desire to retain same as a residence. I also direct my Executors to set aside and pay to her the sum of Twenty pounds per month for her comfort and maintenance or if found necessary at their discretion to pay the said sum to my daughter Edith Mercy Henderson to be disbursed by her for and on account of her mother.
I give to my sons BENJAMIN ALFRED PICKERING and JOHN ETHELBERT PICKERING all my share and interest in the businesses in West Street Durban, now carried on with them in co-partnership under the style of “E. PICKERING and SONS” including any sum of money which the businesses may be owing to me at the time of my decease and together all stock-in-trade Book-debts and other assets belonging thereto including the lease of the premises situate on part of Lot 5 Block G West Street, Durban, subject to the payment oby them of all liabilities belonging to or appertaining to the business including certain Mortgage Bonds passed by me for the Co-partnership business hereinafter mentioned. This bequest being conditional that my said two sons shall continue to carry on the businesses as heretofore under the same style of “E. PICKERING and SONS” until the termination of the said Lease in 1911 and for so long thereafter as they may mutually agree upon. And in the event of the decease of either of my said sons interested in the said business the deceased partner's share shall become the property of his Widow and children so long as she shall remain unmarried and be living but without the power of withdrawing the Capital share from the business during the term of any partnership existing at the time of her husband's decease, and at her death or remarriage the share of such deceased partner shall devolve to and upon the children then living, if any in equal shares.
To my third son JOSEPH THOMAS PICKERING I give the farm “Moguntia” in Alfred County with all my lands adjacent thereto together with all buildings crops and livestock thereon or belonging thereto with the store and Stock in trade belonging thereto, all payments remaining to be paid to the Colonial Government for the purchase price of the said farm or adjacent lands to be paid by my said son JOSEPH THOMAS but any payments that may be owing for the cost of fencing the farm rendered necessary by (Rinderpe?) in 1897-8 shall be paid out of my private estate. I further give to my said son JOSEPH THOMAS the sum of One Hundred Pounds Sterling to be paid in one or more instalments at the discretion of my Executors as soon as conveniently may be after my decease.
To my said son BENJAMIN ALFRED I give my property on Manning Road Berea, being the Subdivision E of Lot 9 Block F Town Lands of Durban, with the buildings thereon at the time of my decease the same to be transferred to him free and discharged from any Mortgage that may be found to be thereon at the time of my decease.
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My copy of the will of Edward Pickering (1839-1906) is hard to read so I transcribed it today. Two points that I noted:
What follows is the second page (character limit of 5500):
To my daughter EDITH MERCY HENDERSON aforesaid or to her children if any should she have predeceased me, I give one half of my property on Manning Road described as Subdivision W of Lot A and B Block C Town Lands of Durban. And the other half of said property I give to my youngest son JOHN ETHELBERT or to his children if any, should he have predeceased me, the division to to be the party wall of the two semi-detached houses my daughter to take her choice, the transfer is made to them free and discharged from any mortgage existing upon the property at my decease which mortgage if any shall be paid out of the business funds of the Co-partnership as the same was passed for the benefit of the businesses.
And I further will and direct that the Mortgage Bond for the sum of Eight Hundred Pounds Sterling passed by me upon the property described as Lot (?) Block P Durban shall like be paid out of the business funds of the Co-partnership as the bond was passed for the benefit of the partnership.
I give to the Baptist Church, Bulwer Road, Berea, Durban the sum of One Hundred Pounds Sterling to be devoted by the trustees of the said Church towards the Building Fund or paying off debt on the Building and I give to said Church the sum of Fifteen Pounds Sterling per Annum for Five Years towards the support of the Church and Pastor at Bulwer Road.
I give to the SALVATION ARMY, Durban, the sum of Ten Guineas (L10:10:0) Sterling.
I give to the Durban Branch of the SOUTH AFRICAN GENERAL MISSION of which the Reverend W. Spencer Walton is the present head the sum of Ten Guineas (L10:10:0) Sterling.
I give to the BAPTIST UNION OF SOUTH AFRICA the sum of Ten Guineas (L10:10:0) Sterling.
I give to my wife's sister ELIZABETH HAYNES wife of the Reverend John Bailey Haynes of Brighton, England, the sum of Fifty Pounds Sterling or to her children if deceased.
I direct the last Five mentioned bequests shall be paid to the respective recipients thereof within twelve months of my decease.
I direct my Executors to pay my wife's sister MARY HAINES, widow of the late Peachy Haynes of Durban the sum of Five Pounds Sterling per month towards her maintenance and support and also if necessary to pay her funeral expenses.
I further declare my Will to be that the Executors of this my Will and Administrators of my Estate shall have full power and authority at their discretion to sell and convert into money all my real and personal Estate not herein disposed of and after payment of all my personal liabilities (not connected with my business) also the payment of all bequests herein as well as funeral and Testamentary expenses and making due provisions for the annuition hereinbefore mentioned to divide and apportion all the rest and residue of my Estate equally between my three sons EDWARD HENRY, BENJAMIN ALFRED, and JOHN ETHELBERT and my daughter EDITH MERCY HENDERSON for their own use and benefit absolutely or their lawful issue if deceased.
Reserving to myself the power from time to time and at all times hereafter to make all such alterations in or additions to this my Will as I shall think fit either by a separate act or at the (foot ?) hereof desiring that all such alterations or additions so made under my signature shall be held as valid and effectual as if they had been inserted herein, I declare that this contains my last Will and Testament and desire that it may have effect as such or as a Codicil or otherwise in such manner as may be found to consent with Law.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF I have hereunto set my hand and subscribed my name at Durban aforesaid on this Fourth day of December in the Year of Our Lord One Thousand Nine Hundred and Five in the presence of the subscribing witnesses.
--Edw.Pickering
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Thank you so much... I have not done much research on this family for a while but I do know that Margaret Raybould was a widow when marrying Ed Acton Pickering, previously she was a Jones!!!! So finding parents was a bit difficult.
Ruth
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Since I haven't seen any information on Edward Acton Pickering's ancestry in this discussion, I will add what I have in my notes (some of them collected by my father, William A. Farrand).
Marriage (from poor copy of marriage certificate in my possession, hand noted "serial #06486-3"):
Marriage solemnized in the Parish of Edgbaston in the County of Warwick in the Year 1832
Edward Acton Pickering of this Parish, Bachelor and
Margaret Raybould of this Parish, Widow
Were married in this Church by (Banns?) this Twenty Second Day of November 1832
By me (?name unreadable?)
This Marriage was solemnized between us
Edward Acton Pickering and Margaret Raybould (?unrecognizable?)
In the presence of Margaret (?unrecognizable?)
From the IGI:
Edward Acton Pickering christened 7 Aug. 1801 Much Wenlock, Shropshire, England
His father- George Pickering
His mother- Anne
His siblings- Thomas (christened 14 Aug 1795), Anne (christened Feb 1797), George (christened 9 Feb 1799), Esther (christened 15 Dec 1803)
From the IGI:
George Pickering christened 2 Feb 1763 Much Wenlock, Shropshire, England
His father- George Pickering
His mother- Anne
(yes, I know this parentage is suspicious, but it is the information I have)
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Thank you so much... I have not done much research on this family for a while but I do know that Margaret Raybould was a widow when marrying Ed Acton Pickering, previously she was a Jones!!!! So finding parents was a bit difficult.
Ruth
Hi,
My grandmother was Edith Pickering. She went to St.Annes and lived at High Flats (Ixopo area). She married William Ramsay and lived at Balgowan (near Nottingham Road), Natal for many years. She lived in Byrne and then Richmond (Natal) with her brother (Don) and sister (Eva) after her husband died. I know that she is a descendant of Edward Pickering (mayor of Durban). I was told he was her father but I somehow doubt that because the timelines don't match. I have quite limited records on my grandmother but have estimated that she lived from about 1910-1986. Considering that Edward (the mayor of Durban) died in 1906, she must have been his grand daughter.
I'm hoping for any information that could fill the genealogy between my grandmother and Edward Pickering. I also have no information on who Edith Pickering's mother was. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Regards, Bruce Ramsay
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I am also a descendant of Edward Pickering (1839-1906), twice mayor of Durban.
The misinformation that your grandmother was his daughter is likely due to the fact that he did have a daughter named "Edith Mercy Pickering." However, she was born on 1 August 1872 "at the Berea" in South Africa. She married William Moyse Henderson.
If your Edith Pickering was a descendant of Edward Pickering (1839-1906) she must have been a daughter or granddaughter of one of his sons. I do not have all of Edward's grandchildren and great grandchildren in my files, however, I am interested in these lines of descent. Edward married Harriet Camp on 1 July 1859 in Brighton, England. They soon sailed for Durban where all his children were born. There he practiced his trade as a cooper, then merchant, and finally owner of a department store on what became known as Pickering Street.
His 5 known sons, identified in their father's will and a newspaper death notice, were:
1) Benjamin Alfred Pickering
2) Edward Henry Pickering
3) John Ethelbert Pickering
4) Joseph Thomas Pickering
5) Albert Edgar Pickering (b. Jun 1864, d. 15 Jan 1876)
I have no information on the other sons, but my great grandfather Joseph Thomas Pickering married twice, first to Blanche Gertrude Pickering and, after her death in 1905, next to Kathleen (birth surname unknown, first husband's surname was "Mitchell"). My grandmother Blanche Gladys lived in Canada and the US. Kathleen had two children with Joseph, Fred born 5 Mar 1911 and daughter (?) Pat born about 1912. Kathleen was a widow with two daughters, Ivy Mitchell and Kathleen Mitchell. So Joseph Thomas Pickering is not your ancestor.
One minor difficulty is that the death notice for Albert identifies him as the sixth son of Edward Pickering. The one stillborn child known was identified as a daughter. This may have been an error or acknowledgement of another minor son's death.
If you want copies of printed information about Edward, I have a full transcriptions of his will and his death notice, as well as a pdf of a biography (and photograph) published in a Milwaukee Temperance magazine in 1897. Just ask.
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Hi,
Thanks for the information and yes I would be very interested in the biography and anything else about Edward Pickering. I have since found other information that I think is very strong evidence that my grandmother was the daughter of Benjamin Alfred Pickering.
My grandmother attended St. Annes school in Pietermaritzburg. St.Annes documents posted on the internet list her as from Holmdene Highflats (which is near Ixopo).
Also in the EGSSA website there is a transcript of the Friday, Feb 11, 1927 “The Daily Representative” (which I presume was a newspaper of some sort) that had this entry:
Marriage
SHAW-PICKERING.- At the Congregational Church, Pietermaritzburg, on the 10th inst., Alfred D.N. SHAW, of “Marshlands,” Mooi River, Natal, second son of Mr. Edgar SHAW, Queenstown, to Gertrude Sylvia, eldest daughter of Mr. And Mrs. B.A. PICKERING, “Holmdene,” Highflats and Durban.
In the year (1927) my grandmother (Edith) would have been about 17 and so if Gertrude Sylvia was the oldest then should would have definitely ready for marriage in 1927. That coupled with the Holmdene reference here and in the St Annes documents, I’m sure Edith Pickering was the daughter of Benjamin Alfred and then Benjamin Alfred is mentioned in the will of Edward Pickering (the Durban mayor) as his son.
In the 1912 Natal Directory it lists BA Pickering as being of Hillcrest and a “merchant (of E Pickering & Sons)”. So it seems BA Pickering inherited from his father in 1906, was still involved in the business in 1912 and sometime between 1912 and 1927 moved to Highflats.
My mother (not a blood relative of the Pickerings) confirms that the Pickerings had relatives by the name of Shaw but she doesn't recall anything else of material significance.
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I am a descendent of Benjamin Alfred Pickering, he was my grandfather.
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I am a descendent of Benjamin Alfred Pickering, he was my grandfather.
Hi, I tried to send a personal email to you but it said your Inbox was full :(
I would really like to compare notes, especially concerning the family of Benjamin Alfred's wife. Do you know anything of Benjamin Alfred's wife and her ancestry?
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I have no information on his wife other than her name, Anne Strachau. That is not a common name, so there is hope.
It apparently is a region in Germany, but the name has been found in England for generations. "Strachau" may also be a variant on "Strachan" (or vice versa).
In the late 1800's there was someone named "Strachau" in commerce in Newcastle-on-Tyne, England. Since Benjamin's younger brother went to England to find a wife, Benjamin may have done the same.
Interesting, the 1896 South African Medical Journal mentions a panel discussion with a Dr. Strachau participating. That is another possibility for her family connections.
I can probably do more digging, but I don't have in hand any more information. Good luck in your search.
--Brady Farrand
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I have no information on his wife other than her name, Anne Strachau. That is not a common name, so there is hope.
It apparently is a region in Germany, but the name has been found in England for generations. "Strachau" may also be a variant on "Strachan" (or vice versa).
In the late 1800's there was someone named "Strachau" in commerce in Newcastle-on-Tyne, England. Since Benjamin's younger brother went to England to find a wife, Benjamin may have done the same.
Interesting, the 1896 South African Medical Journal mentions a panel discussion with a Dr. Strachau participating. That is another possibility for her family connections.
I can probably do more digging, but I don't have in hand any more information. Good luck in your search.
--Brady Farrand
Hi, my records have her name as Emily Anne McIntyre and known as "Annie". The previous contributor to the thread is a relative of mine (we know each others families it turns out) and separately from me, she also identified the wife of Benjamin Alfred as being Annie McIntyre.
Having said that I'm intrigued about the Anne Strachau reference. I'm wondering how that name came up and if maybe they are the same person and she was married twice?
Other than her name and dates and places of birth and death, nothing else is known. Emily Anne McIntyre was born in Durban (Natal, South Africa) in 1870 and died 27 Oct 1928 at Highflats near Ixopo (Natal, South Africa)
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It will take a full, detailed examination of all my information to figure out where I got the attribution of Anne Strachau as Benjamin Alfred Pickering's wife. However, some info is available.
I own a copy of a letter from Benjamin's brother Joseph to my grandmother, his daughter, which says
"Have you heard from your Auntie Anne or cousin Gertie?"
and
"Do you remember Mrs. Strachau (Aunt Anne's Mother) and the white Cockatoo that bit your ear? Mother, you & I stayed a few days on the Barea with Mrs. Strachau."
From Edward Pickering's will, I know that Benjamin received the the house on Manning Road, Barea.
However, I do not see a reference to Benjamin Alfred's wife in that document. Since Blanche Shepherd had no sisters named Anne, and only a brother named George, who lived in England (where Joseph would not be visiting), I assume that "Auntie Anne" is the wife of one of Joseph's brothers who lived in Berea. That her maiden name was the same as her mother's married name is another tenuous assumption.
Since I seldom commit to the genealogy such tortured assumptions, I believe that I found the name of Benjamin Alfred Pickering's wife somewhere else. But I do not now know. I will try to get around to that research soon.
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Hi,
I'm really interested in all this because using the Strachan suggestion, I'm finding some interesting Google search combinations for Strachan and McIntyre. There was a trading Strachan family in the Umzimkhulu (Griqualand East area) which is near Highflats where Benjamin Alfred and Annie Pickering lived. The strachan trading company was run by Donald Strachan and he had a cousin called "Doonie" McIntyre and there is other information saying that Donald Strachan's mother and father were Robert Strachan and Mary McIntyre. Mary died soon after arrival in South Africa (Byrne Immigration Scheme) in 1851 and Robert died in a building accident in Durban a few months later. If there is a link, our Emily Annie McIntyre/Strachan could have been the grand daughter or a child of a relative, possibly "Doonie" McIntyre or his son?
All of this is speculative but the information you have is giving a new lease of life to the research so am very happy you posted what you know.
Everything I have said can be found from Google searches by a mix of "McIntyre", "Durban" "Strachan" etc. Keen to collaborate with you on this one.