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My Great Grandfather David (born 1860's) eventually opened a barbers shop in St Peter Hill area by 1912 (signed Ulster Covenent). Then moved to Howe Street.
His son was John Milliken (MC).
Anyone out there know about Millikens? I have lots of other bits and bobs and some nice photos of this family.
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Hi Gary. Would this be one off yours
Belfast 1852
Isrsel Milliken, Warm Vapour & Baths 87 Peter's Hill.
Belfast 1896
D, Milliken Hairdresser 26 Old Lodge Rd off Peter's Hill.
Belfast 1900
D Milliken Hairdresser 76 Old Lodge Rd & was there in 1911.
Anthony
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Directory of Belfast and Province of Ulster 1880
Belfast unless otherwise stated
James Milliken, linen lapper, 81, Grosvenor Street
Martha Milliken, grocer, Seaview Place
Miss Milliken, grocer and spirit dealer, Whiteabbey
William Milliken, grocer, Durham Street
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Hi Antony
The D Milliken you mention is definitely my G G Father David, and the earlier date of 1896 pushes back the known history. What was your source, was that from a street directory?
My best guess is to link him with a family from Ravara near Saintfield Co Down who had a David born 1864/5. They also had a sister Sarah, which ties in with our David's sister Sarah. (I am looking on the Co Down site as well).
I am also interested in Israel Milliken, because of the closeness of the locality and it would be good to find out more about this person. Although my mother tells me that there was a "Cousin" family of Millikens that lived in the same area. She wasn't aware of the actual relationship between these two families.
Christopher
Thanks for the names you list as these are not know to me, and being 10 years prior to the date suggested by Antony it would be interesting to try and find a link. The names James and William are very common in our branch of the family being used in just about every generation.
Thanks to you both for your help, I hope to come back with more information as a result of these leads.
Gary
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Hi Gary. Yes from a Street Directory, I have them from
1819/1830/1840/1852/1860/1870/1896/1900/1911/1949
1962/1973.
If I get anymore info I will get back to you.
Anthony
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Hi Gary. Back again I have a wee bit of info for you.
Belfast 1830
James Milliken Hairdresser 51 John St this is for information only as he may not be yours?.
Anthony
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Hi Gary,
You mentioned Saintfield. You might like to have a look at other Co. Down Millikens.
Best Wishes, Christopher
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Mi.htm
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Hi Christopher
Have gone over and over those Co Down names and am well aquainted with the two main family branches but don't have absolute proof of a link.
" William James of Ravara: husband of Sarah Wright; father of David b. 14 May 1866 & female child b. 23 Mar 1868" quote from that website.
This David is born about the right time and the sister is called Sarah, which was the name of my David's sister. These two both apparantly left the Saintfield area whilst the other three children stayed behind. I believe that David (the younger son) left the family farm (his brother John inherited) and went to Belfast to open the barber shop. Antonys date of 1896 would mean he would have been 30 years old at that time.
As further circumstantial evidence, David called his son John, could this be after his brother back in Saintfield.
I know quite alot about the Saintfield Millikens if anyone is interested out there.
Thanks again for your help.
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Hi Gary.
Belfast 1884
John Milliken Hairdresser 76 Old Lodge Rd could be Davids Father.?
Anthony
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Hello Anthony.
Just a snippet but it proves the saying "one mans throw away price of junk is another mans treasure". Your information comes under the heading of "Good news, Bad news". ;D
Good news because the address and occupation would seem to indicate a direct link, and the name John ties in with David calling his first son John.
Bad news because up to now I had been working on the theory that David came from Saintfield and his father was William James. That family have a John but he stayed and inherited the farm thus would be unlikely to also own a barber shop in 1884. That David had the right birth date (mid 1860's) and also had a sister called Sarah. :(
It looks like the focus of my research now moves back to Belfast. In a way I am happy because the Saintfield connection never "felt right" because my mother always insisted we came from Islandmagee direction before arriving in Belfast.
Thus the earliest known ancestor seems to be John Millken 1884, unfortunately Christopher did not see him in his 1880 directory. (Would it be possible to recheck if you read this Christopher?).
Can I link to Israel Milliken mentioned previously in 1830 at St Peters Hill??
The joys of geneology and the reason we keep coming back for more.
Thank you again Anthony, you have set me off on another direction.
Gary
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The Griffiths Valuation has a number of Milliken names recorded in the Island Magee area for mid 1800's - it may be worth having a look at them.
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Also, had you considered the David Milliken born at Ballycarry (http://www.from-ireland.net/lewis/ant/ballycarry.htm - nearby Island Magee) in 1864. He seems to have had a sister Sarah born 1867 and Annie born 1869. Parents names were James Milliken and Eliza(beth) McMulli/an. Hope this doesn't confuse you further.
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Hi Gary,
I have a directory of Belfast and the Province of Ulster Volume 1 - 1852. Anthony mentioned Israel as his name appeared in this directory. There were several others - 10 in fact. It may be worth while making a note of them. I see you have not commented about your great grandfather's parents so the names below may prove useful at some stage in the course of your research.
Directory of Belfast and the Province of Ulster 1852
Emanuel Milliken, master mariner, 7, McCrory's Row, Ballymacarrett
Elizabeth Milliken, 48, Little Patrick Street
George Milliken, publican, Falls Road
James Milliken, hatter, 65, Green Street
Jane Milliken, lodging house, 4, Gordon Street
James Milliken, boot and shoe maker, 44, Cromac Street
Margaret Milliken, dressmaker, 64, Donegall Street
Robert Milliken, grocer, Falls Road
Robert Milliken, saddler, 49, North Street and 21, Long Lane
William Milliken, ostler, 11, Little Donegall Street
There was a Robert Millikin, publican, at Whiteabbey. I suppose typesetting errors occurred occasionally. I mention Robert as he is on the Islandmagee side of Belfast.
It may be worthwhile having a closer look at Emanuel Milliken. Many mariners came from Islandmagee. He may have moved from that part of Co. Antrim to Ballymacarrett to be closer to the docks in Belfast.
Best Wishes with your research,
Christopher
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I am overwhelmed with the responses so far and hope to return the favour to others on this website in the future.
My original target for research was Islandmagee and my mother insisted that her family came from that area, especially Ballycarry (thanks Scotsmum). This was the place that "felt right" but I was put off because another Milliken researcher stated categorically that that David was a different man.
I actually have a detailed geneology (somewhere in my records) for the family from Islandmagee but was never able to prove the link.
Could Scotmum confirm the record that gives his birthdate at 1864, sister (Sarah) etc? I would need to get copies for my records. As you can see from my previous postings they seem to be the same details.
If David was born in 1864 he would be 20 when John Milliken had the barbershop in Belfast, then 32 when he next turns up in the street directory as owning the barshop in1896. But there is no record in the street directory in 1880 which would seem to indicate that that is when they relocated (1880-84).
This is a tremendous development so thank you everybody for your help, and keep it coming. I must dig out the old geneology for Islandmagee.
The power of coincidence.
David Milliken born 1864 Ballycarry sister called Sarah born 1867.
David Milliken born 1866 Saintfield sister called Sarah born 1868.
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The Ballycarry Milliken details for David et al were from IGI, so may or may not be totally accurate (although I usually find most IGI records I have used in past to be fairly good when compared with originals). Further, have you asked anyone here to check BIVRI for you - it may throw up some finds not on IGI? Also, do you have a name for the wife of your David (I notice you say he had a son, John). Any thoughts on when they married as getting hold of this certificate should give you David's father's name?
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Hi Gary,
Keep them coming. Here they come then - Millikens from Islandmagee - mentioned in Earls Family Chronicles by Christopher E. Brennan
http://www.dankat.com/earls/chap5.htm
http://www.dankat.com/earls/chap6.htm
http://users.cis.net/daver/irelcem.htm
Best Wishes, Christopher
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Hi Christopher
Thanks for the links to the "Earls" website, there was some good background info there (and a lovely map). It confirms some of the information that is in the old "Milliken of Templephin geneology" which dates from 1964. I need to do some serious reading now to remind myself of that whole situation.
Gary
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Hi Garyob
Just thought I would let you know that the "Porters " were at Red Hall Ballycarry up to the 1800's.
You can see Islandmagee from there
Steve
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Hi GaryOB
I'm A Milliken, doing my best to find my roots. My ancestors are on various census listings in England from 1861. The first one is James (Milligan, misspelled or not), born in Ireland. He has a wife, Ann and dtrs Ellen and Mary, along with a son (my GGfather William John Milliken) as well as another William (visitor) and a John Harvey. I visited Belfast last year hoping to make progress with my research as I had found a James Milliken At Cromac St. with the same trade as my GGGfather (Bootmaker), but had no luck making any progress because of destroyed records. I would appreciate any help you can offer.
Graham
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Hi Graham
I would be interested in hearing more details of your Milliken's, like where in England they moved to. My own mother was born and raised within a few minutes walk of Cromac Street and we are aware of a "cousin" family that lived in the same area. In fact my mother worked for a while with one of those cousins in one of the Mills in that area, David I think his name was (1940's).
I am aware of a number of concentrations of the Milliken family around Saintfield/N'Ards/Killead and Islandmagee, your family may have originated in one of those before ending up in Belfast. Or they may have come direct from Dumphries/Galloway which is the heartland of this family.
In the short term I would recommend you look up the following Milliken resource
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~alanmilliken/regarde_bien/
There you will find many useful articles about different groupings of this family including some that went to England.
Enough for now, but if you have any further information you can share then I can try and tie you down to a specific branch of the family. There is even a DNA project that you might want to investigate, it supposedly will pinpoint any close family ties. I would be happy to pass on details.
My own family can be "proved" to be at Peters Hill (about a mile from Cromac Street) in 1884 but I am having difficulty establishing which area they came from prior to that. Possibly Islandmagee or Saintfield both of which have a David Milliken, with sister Sarah born in the right years. Very frustrating but that is the joy of geneology ;D
Speak to you again soon.
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Hi GaryOB & Graham, Hope these are of some help to you.
Islandmagee 1911
Jane Milliken Temple,Effin.
Mary Milliken Loughlands.
Samuel Milliken Master Mariner, Loughford.
T M Milliken Loughhead.
W,M Milliken Ashmore.
Newtownards 1911
Hugh Milliken Farmer Ballyrogan.
Samuel Milliken Farmer Bally??eagh.
Ballyclare 1911
John Millken Railway Terrace.
Mrs James Milliken Green Rd.
Samuel Millken Cattle Dealer.
Tom Milliken Greenvale Terrace.
Willim Milliken Mill Worker ?.
Anthony
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Hi Gary
The Millikens I have found are listed on the 1861 census in England. All of the following were born in Ireland but are registered in Liverpool under the surname Milligan. I know from other records that this is may be a variation on Milliken as my GGfather was William John Milliken and is on the list age 17.
April 1861 Census 10 Duckenfield Street Liverpool
James Milligan, 63, Bootmaker
Ann 58, Wife
Ellen 25, Dtr, Dressmaker
Mary 19, Dtr, Dressmaker
William John 17, Son, Bootcloser
William (married) 27, Visitor, Tailor
John Harvey 22, Lodger, Bootmaker
William John Milliken 9born in Belfast) married Mary Williams in 1863. I believe she is listed on the 1861 census at 38 Duckenfield Street. I checked records in Ireland without much luck. The connection to James Milliken of 44 Cromac Street looked to be good but as yet I have not managed to confirm it.
Graham
Graham
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Hi Steve
With reference to your Porters of Redhall. check out the following site:
http://www.ballycarrycommunity.co.uk/MainPage.html
In the "In our view" section there is a picture of the "Auld Mill Glen Redhall" and another view showing Islandmagee from Ballycarry.
Gary
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Dear all
Thanks for your suggestions so far, keep them coming.
I have made a link with a historian in Belfast called Joe Graham who was able to tell me much more about Israel Milliken (mentioned earlier). I took this to my mother who in turn took it to her elder sister who has been reluctant thus far to discuss family things. But she has confirmed the link with this man and we did inherit some of his money :o Unfortunatley my G grandmother seems to have blown it on wild living and friends :( and what was left was diverted to another branch of the family >:(
I now need to find out how close was the link.
It turns out that Israel was connected to the United Irishmen in 1798 so hopefully I will learn lots of interesting stories. It seems that when Jemmy Hope was being interviewed for Dr Maddens "famous people of the 1798 rebellion", it was in Israel Millikens home that the interview took place.
Check out Rushlight: The Belfast Magazine for lots of background history of Old Belfast.
http://spaces.msn.com/members/joegrahampage3/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c01_blogpart=myspace&_c02_owner=1&_c=blogpart&editmode=true
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Hi Kingpuck / Graham
My researching has exploded into life in the last couple of weeks with many new discoveries and leads to follow and will summarise soon.
But I have discovered another "nest" of Millikens that may be of interest to you. My Grandmother (Mary McDowell) came from Ballyclare / Ballyeaston direction and I thought I would have a quick look for her family. In the 1880 street directory for Ballyclare (Traders) I found the following Millikens and the names seem to follow the naming pattern for your 1861 family.
John Milliken - Shoemaker (could this be Wm John the 17 year old boy from 1861)
James Milliken - Coal merchant
J & W Milliken - jaunting car proprietor
Gary
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ive found a Miss Margaret Milliken in my 1969 street directory at number 2 Batenburg street of the shankill road.
colette
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Good Morning Colette,
Did you look in the country towns too or only Belfast ???
I am still in Dublin
Chris
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just belfast,
what you still doing in Dublin?
hope your not sleeping rough again lol ;)
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Hi Colette and Chris
Thanks for keeping my interest in mind whilst going about your business.
I followed up on Colette's identification of Margaret Milliken of Battenberg St. This is about half a mile from where my mothers family grew up (Howe St) but she forgot to mention them to me???
My Grandfather John had three brothers. One was James, who was the oldest, he married and had two children called Maggie and David, they all lived in the Shankill area. The lady you identify could probably be an offspring of that family or Maggie as an old lady.
It seems that James's wife was not approved of for some reason (interesting ;D) and the two families did not keep in touch. It must have been bad because my mother informed me that my Grandfather even kept in touch with a relative that married a catholic :o
As it happens my mother met David Milliken at her first job at the Milford Clothing Company on Sydney Street West and they became friendly again as adults. Unfortunately they lost contact again when she married and went to live in England in the 1950's.
One result of this query (thanks Colette) is a few more leaves on the tree but also that my Mother remembered that some old photos we have are of this David and Maggie Milliken.
Keep on looking everybody and drop me line if you bump into any Milliken's (or variants) as they usually add to my knowledge. Always appreciated.
Gary
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;D happy to be of some use Gary
Colette
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Hi Gary i was having a wee look at a site and i was reading
Belfast Weekly News
January 17 1857
well who should i find in the deaths section?
January 9, Mr Israel Milliken, in his 86th(?) year of his age
Thats all it give no address
heres the link anyway so you can see for your self
http://failteromhat.com/ulster/bwn18570117.htm
Colette
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Hi Colette
That is a fantastic discovery and will be of great help.
You are an example of the great cameradery that exists on this forum and in turn I make it a point to try and help others the way you and others have helped me since I joined the forum. I am convinced that making such efforts will reap the reward as kind hearted persons like yourself will take time to help me.
It is important that we don't get too focussed on our own narrow lines of research because often when I am looking something up for somebody else I discover something of importance for my searching (even if its only through becoming more familiar with how certain online sites work).
Anyway, enough surmonising, thank you again for this snippet of information which will help me focus my search for traces of this man.
If anybody is interested, he was a leader of the 1798 Rebellion and I can provide a link to a lovely book that describes his exploits.
Gary
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awe shucks Gary ive come over all shy now lol, thankyou for the compliment.
I was thinking you have the date and year of his death you could send for a copy of his death cert im sure you could get a lot of info from it like where he was at the time of death and who registered the death?
this is a good site for certs (well i think it is any way)
http://www.familyulster.com/
All the best
Oh dear Deaths are only recorded from 1865 ??? Scrub that idea.
Colette ;D
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Hi Gary
The Millikens I have found are listed on the 1861 census in England. All of the following were born in Ireland but are registered in Liverpool under the surname Milligan. I know from other records that this is may be a variation on Milliken as my GGfather was William John Milliken and is on the list age 17.
April 1861 Census 10 Duckenfield Street Liverpool
James Milligan, 63, Bootmaker
Ann 58, Wife
Ellen 25, Dtr, Dressmaker
Mary 19, Dtr, Dressmaker
William John 17, Son, Bootcloser
William (married) 27, Visitor, Tailor
John Harvey 22, Lodger, Bootmaker
William John Milliken 9born in Belfast) married Mary Williams in 1863. I believe she is listed on the 1861 census at 38 Duckenfield Street. I checked records in Ireland without much luck. The connection to James Milliken of 44 Cromac Street looked to be good but as yet I have not managed to confirm it.
Graham
Graham
Hi Graham
Just a quick note to enquire if anything has turned up for you since we last spoke? I have found a James Milliken, a shoemaker listed in the 1843 Hendersons directory. His address was 31 Verner Street.
I also found a James Milligan described as a Protestant, Shoemaker, born about 1771 and convicted of political crime in Aug 1798 (aged 28). He was transported for life and departed Cork in May 1799 aboard the Minerva and arrived in Australia 11 Jan 1800. Your James would have been born in 1798, I wonder could they have been connected?
Any other Millikens turning up in anybodys research, would love to hear about them?
Gary
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Hi Gary
Great to hear from you again. Unfortunately no news, have been investigating via 'genes' but no luck yet. Thanks for the info, stay in touch.
KingPuck
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Is this forum still open? I may have a vestige of information to add re Milliken of Islandmagee (mid 1800's).
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Hi there- this thread may be closed, I'm a bit late to it, but I am looking into Israel Milliken and his time at the Peter Hill area of Belfast. I would love to connect to find out more if possible Gary? I've seen on a few forums you talk about him and your connection- you seem to have quite a bit of detail on his lineage- I'd love to hear more. Thanks so much in advance!
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I believe I'm the great great grand daughter of Ellen. If I'm correct she married a man called William kirkwood.
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I also have a picture of the boot makers
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
I believe I'm the great great grand daughter of Ellen. If I'm correct she married a man called William kirkwood.
Would this be the marriage?
William KIRKWOOD married Ellen MILLIKEN on 8 December 1871 at Joymount Presbyterian Church, Carrickfergus. Both bride and groom living at Woodburn.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11360/8170301.pdf
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If this was the right marriage-
William KIRKWOOD married Ellen MILLIKEN on 8 December 1871 at Joymount Presbyterian Church, Carrickfergus. Both bride and groom living at Woodburn.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11360/8170301.pdf
then the two eldest children were born in Belfast.
John Kirkwood born 11 May 1872 in Belfast. MMN Milligan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03251/2191578.pdf
Eliza Kirkwood born 12 July 1874. MMN Milliken
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03140/2151524.pdf
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Hi
Note different addresses for the family in 1872 and 1874, when these two children were born.
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Note different addresses for the family in 1872 and 1874, when these two children were born.
Yes, 146 Crimea Street in 1872 and 31 Derry Street in 1874.
Derry Street
Off Crimea Street
31. Kirkwood, William, tenter
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/dcomplete1877.htm
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Hi
Thought it unnecessary to name the two address, as they are clear to read on the link. No need to duplicate…. Isn’t that what we are repeatedly told.