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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Bob Holland on Sunday 02 October 05 17:47 BST (UK)
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Please does anyone have info on the Shaw family of Oaker, Darley Dale? The family moved there around 1715 from Beely just up the road.
I have George Henry Shaw (b. 1854)(my wife's great granddad) born at Wensley to John Shaw and Mary Dakin ( daughter of Samuel Dakin and Mary of Elton).
George Henry left to go coal mining at Mickley, living on Stretton Hillside, Ainsmoor. The family moved to Handley, Clay Cross, then to Dick Lant near Ashover.
George's brother James went to Chesterfield to work as a foundry worker at Sheepbridge, Whittington.
John's father was also John who farmed at Oaker and his wife was also a Mary. He had a brother James who went to live with his son John at Bolehill, Wirksworth and were limestone merchants. They had a large family.
Further back than this and proving the links with the rest of the family is becoming a little difficult.
Bob Holland
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Hi Bob
I have some slight Shaw connection and it would be interesting to work out how the families connect.
Do you any more details? I thought that I was on the right track but then I got a bit confused >:(
The 1861 census has John Shaw born c.1821 at Wensley. Do you know when he was baptised?
Did his wife Mary re-marry to a Wright? I would be interested to know who that was if you don't mind.
Do you know which Mary John snr married?
Sorry, this is just more questions rather than answers but there were a lot of Shaws! ;D
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Hi Bob,
My great grandmother, Mary Jane Shaw (b 4 Mar 1860 at Oaker Side) was another child of John Shaw and Mary Dakin. I have lots of information for her branch to the present day (in fact I have just returned from France where I went to a military cemetary near Arras where one of Mary Jane's sons is buried).
Unfortunately I have nothing earlier than John Shaw / Mary Dakin.
Ken Herlingshaw
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This Shaw family id of my kin Jethro Shaw born at Beeley in the 1680s married Silence Godbehere widow of George Geodbehere of Cromford nee Annable .. a farmer at Oakerside near Winster he my 7XGrandfather His son Jethro married Ruth Clarke Robinson of Wensley near Winster Their daughter Anne Shaw married Isaac Hoades Lead Miner of Bolehill they my 5XGrandparents Annes brother James Shaw married Hannah Roper daughter of John Roper of Bolehill Their son John Shaw married Dorothy Alsop of Holloway daughter of Dennis Alsop Farmer John Shaw was a Malster / Farmer / Lime Burner at Wirksworth.. His son John married Hannah Wilde John a Stonemerchant who in time had a partnership with Bowne known as Bowne & Shaw Middle Peak Quarry presently defunct but still owned today by Tarmac who took it over some years ago.. Jethro and Ruth aforementioned had a daughter Hannah Shaw who married my 6XUncle Robert Frost of Wirksworth Moor Lead Mining Agent This Frost family married into Wrights of Wirksworth Moor and via my mothers Wigley Cauldwell Walker family and my fathers Allen Family intermarried The Shaws in more recent years were my kin via Cauldwells of Alderwasley..Aunt Ada Shaw lived at Oakerthorpe Road Bolehill in the 1950s then in her 80s..
I have the full Shaw history from 1689 - 1900 In the 1970s I lived near the Shaw home Rock Villa Cromford Road My home backed onto Middle Peak Quarry railway line which took stone from the quarry into Wirksworth Railway Station yard ...Mrs Clifford Shaw still lived at Rock Villa when my wife and I first married in 1969..Clifford being the last Shaw director of the quarry before it was taken over
Regards Flint
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Hi Flint,
This looks really interesting. Is there anything you can send?
regards,
Ken Herlingshaw
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The full history is so much that to send by e mail is a problem..I often send by snail mail for the want of an address..I can give a brief outline, but then not knowing exactly what you require poses the problem..
Regards Flint
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I can give you my snail mail address.
As I explained in an earlier note, Mary Jane Shaw, a daughter of John Shaw and Mary Dakin, was my great grandmother (I have the birth certificate). Mary Jane was born in 1860 and lived into the 1940s and I have a photograph of her, probably when she was about 50 or 55.
My grandfather, William Shaw was an illegitimate son of hers and later on (1897) she married George Herling which prompted my grandfather to redesignate himself (probably between 1900 and 1905) as "William Herlingshaw".
Because of the difficulties in identifying one "John Shaw" from another I have nothing absolute before 1860. However, I have a lot since then (and unsubstantiated before then) and will be happy to share.
regards,
Ken Herlingshaw
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Hi :)
So from the IGI Silence was born Cromford, baptised Wirksworth 17th Sept 1680, father John Annable.
Married 1) George Godber 24th Nov 1706
Married 2) Jethro Shaw 24th July 1707 Bakewell
Ken was the first marriage at South Wingfield? I see that it is a submitted entry to IGI, have you been able to find the parish record for this?
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Sorry but which marriage are you referring to?
kh
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Silence Annable married George Godber 24th Nov 1706
This one :)
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Hi,
I think you have probably addressed this question to the wrong person.
Should it have beeen addressed to Flint?
At the moment my information only goes back to John Shaw and Mary Dakin who probably married around 1850/1855.
I am still struggling to find the exact ancestors of this particular John Shaw.
kh
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It has been a hard day! Sorry. I'll just start again.......Flint, please see my query above ;)
Ken, you share gtgtgrandparents with Bob's wife do you? That is amazing. Do you know which Wright Mary Shaw nee Dakin married?
Sorry again for the confusion.
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Hi there,
It obviously has been a hard day....
In my case Mary Jane Shaw (b. 1860) was my great grandmother (rather than great, great..).
My understanding from Bob's note was that Mary Jane's brother George Henry was a great grandfather (so similar lineage) of his wife.
So I am obviously related to Bob's wife but I am not sure what the correct term is. (nth cousin?)
The Mary Dakin referred to was my gt gt grandmother but she married a John Shaw, not a Wright.
Mary Jane Shaw (Mary Dakin and John Shaw's daughter) eventually married George Herling in about 1897 which is where my surname comes from - Herlingshaw.
kh
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Thank you to all of you for the information so far, it has enlightened my searches a great deal and I am so grateful.
Ken, you and my wife, Jennie (Shaw) are probably 4th. cousins and at present live only a few miles and a bit from Middlesborough - nearer than to Darley Dale. Is anyone of the family left in the North Yorkshire area?
Somewhere, and I'm still searching, I thought I found information that Mary Dakin who married John Shaw (27th. Jan 1847 in Elton Chapel, Parish of Youlgrave) re-married sometime later in the 1800's and became a Wright, but I may be mistaken.
Thanks again. Talk to you all later.
Bob
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If Mary Jane Shaw was your gtgrandmother and her brother George Henry Shaw was gtgrandfather to Bob's wife then you share gtgtgrandparents (John Shaw and Mary Dakin) with Bob's wife which is what I said...I think... :) Which would make you 3rd cousins.
http://www.genealogy.com/16_cousn.html
As for Mary Dakin what I have is that she married John Shaw and in 1861 they are together:
John Shaw,head,40
Mary,wife,34
Joseph,son,11
John Saml,son,9
Elizabeth,dau,7
George Hy,son,6
James,son,3
Mary J,dau1
By the 1871 census John Shaw has died (I presume) and Mary is remarried, surname Wright.
Mary Wright,wife,m,40
James Shaw,son,14
Mary Jane Shaw,dau,11
Martha E Shaw,dau,5
William Shaw,son,3
In the 1881 census Mary Wright is said to be a widow.
So, since you said you had information after 1860 I wondered if you knew who Mary Shaw nee Dakin married?
Have overlapped with Bob's post here ( I had to give inexpert advice to son on chemistry homework ;D ) but I'll just leave my post as it is and hit the sack :)
Just found marriage registered at Bakewell Dec qtr 1870 Mary Shaw to John Wright. And if you think there are a lot of John Shaws then there are even more John Wrights >:( ;D
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Thanks, that is very useful.
I don't know why I didn't pick that up before.
kh
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Hi Bob,
In fact most of the Herlingshaws are still in the Middlesbrough area (The Herlingshaw Centre in South Bank is now the Middlesbrough Football Club Academy).
Since the name was only created around 1900 there are still only about a hundred of us in total.
However, my father moved to the London area after WW2 and he now lives in Ascot and I live in Windsor.
There are some references on the Nort East Communigate site: http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/
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Dear Gardener and KenH,
I have worked out a line of succession according to alot of the information you have passed along about the Shaw family. If you want to see it I will try to post it through your email address if you wish.
Regards,
Bob
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Thanks a lot.
I have been in the USA for a while and have not been able to contribute.
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Dear Gardener and KenH,
I have worked out a line of succession according to alot of the information you have passed along about the Shaw family. If you want to see it I will try to post it through your email address if you wish.
Regards,
Bob
That would be interesting Bob. I'll look forward to seeing it.
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Dear Gardener and KenH,
I have worked out a line of succession according to alot of the information you have passed along about the Shaw family. If you want to see it I will try to post it through your email address if you wish.
Regards,
Bob
Hi Bob,
I didn't receive anything.
KenH
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Not me either ;D Only I didn't notice as I have a memory like a sieve ;)
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Hi All - I’m not sure what year the last messages were posted but hope you are still using the site!
I am the granddaughter of a George Jeffrey Shaw (born 1926), his father was George Henry Shaw. My Mum/Grandma said George Henry Shaw married Mary Gwendoline Fletcher (we think from Bole Hill farm). George Henry Shaw’s father was Alfred Shaw and was from Handley as far as we know (so I was interested when I saw you mention Handley).
I think there must be some connection but I can spot the right names ages in your information and conversation - let me know what you think!