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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: sadie on Friday 30 September 05 21:27 BST (UK)
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Hello
I am hoping that someone can shed some light.
I have a Mary Ann Dunbar who married a William Joseph Burleigh in 1878 in Shoreditch, Mary Anns. According to Mary Ann's birth certificate it states that her mother was a Selina Dunbar formerly Harlock & her father was Joseph Dunbar, both living at 45 Upper John Street, Hoxton Old Town, Middlesex. His profession a Carman.
I have tried to search for a marriage of a Selina Harlock & Joseph Dunbar without luck, the odd thing though is that I have located a marriage for a Selina Harlock & a Thomas Dunbar of Shoreditch, I ordered the certificate & found that Thomas is a Carman as per his daughters birth certificate & that his father is an Alexander Dunbar, this matches with the birth certificate I have for a Joseph Dunbar. I wondered if perhaps Joseph's middle name was Thomas, but I cannot find that it is. Someone suggested that perhaps Thomas is Joseph's brother & that Selina married the brother after. I have not yet found that Joesph had a brother Thomas.
None of the census's I have mention a Thomas with a Selina only a Joseph.
Is someone able to help me understand why the marriage states a Thomas & not a Joesph as I think it should be.
Many thanks for your help.
Sadie
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Hi
I don't know whether this will help or not but I did find your Joseph in the 1861 with his mum and dad
Alexander Dunbar abt 1817 Scotland Head Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex
Margaret Dunbar abt 1826 Scotland Wife Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex
Margaret Dunbar abt 1851 Stepney, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex
Mary E Dunbar abt 1853 Stepney, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex
Joseph Dunbar abt 1855 Stepney, Middlesex, England Son Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex
Charles Dunbar abt 1857 Haggerstone, Middlesex, England Son Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex
Jane Dunbar abt 1859 Haggerstone, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex
Mary Ann Hutcheson abt 1832 Scotland Sister-in-law Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex
WEndy
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Thank you - I had his mother as Hutcheson on the birth cert. I wonder why he is a Thomas on the marriage cert to Selina?
Thank you
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Hi Sadie
What does it say about her father on Mary Ann's marriage certificate? Any other useful info on the certificate ie. address/witnesses?
Casalguidi
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Casalguidi
Mary Ann's mother on the birth cert says Selina Dunbar formerly Harlock.
Thank you
Sadie
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Casalguidi
The witnessess are:
Stephen Vaughn Baxter or Barter
Margaret Dunbar (her mother in law I believe)
The address is:
St Mark, Old Street
Are you able to help?
Sadie
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Just to confuse matters, also in hoxton in 1851 were-
Jane Dunbar 77 Widow, born Scotland.And Dtr
Mary ann 38 Unmarried born Shoreditch.
Was Jane, Alexander's Mother ? 46 Ashford St HO107/1536 F 70.
KenB ;D
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Hi KenB
thanks for the message, you've got me puzzled now.
I do not have Alexander's mother yet, he was born c1817 in Scotland & I have yet to find his birth & being before 1837 my experience is now limited. I believe there is a Scotland site, but will this tell me births before 1837?
It is possible that his mother was Jane, as he named one of his daughters Jane, but this could just be coincidence.
I really appreciate you looking & this could possibly be Alexanders mother . . . my search continues.
Thank you - Sadie
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Hi Sadie,there was a alexander born in scotland 1817.Parents were Robert Dunbar/ Jane Anderson. Info from the IGI.
KenB
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Hi Ken
Thank you for looking, I think when I last checked I did not have as many facts as I do now.
The family story is that there is a connection to Robert the Bruce, but doesn't everyone!!!
Did you have any thoughts on the name of Selina's husband, I find her with a Joseph on most census's & I have his birth, but the marriage is with a Thomas, see my postings below?
Thank you very much - Sadie
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It's just another mystery,to add to all the rest. ;D
Ken.
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Hello Sadie
Time for a revamp.........
Can you put some approx birth dates for some of these players.......
when was Mary Ann Dunbar born?
when was the marriage you found and where for Selina Harlock to Thomas Dunbar?
what census have you got Selina Dunbar in?
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1841
FARWIG PLACE, BROMLEY, KENT
JOHN HARTLOCK 25 LAB N
SELINA " 25 Y
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1840.....DEC QTR....BROMLEY R.D, KENT
JOHN HORLOCK to SELINA VERRELL
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*the Verrell's are living next door to John & Selina in 1841 ie Farwig Place, Bromley
1861
1 MORNING LANE, HACKNEY, MIDDX
JOHN HARLOCK HEAD 42 WHITESMITH PIROFEN, DORSET
SELINA " WIFE 44 BROMLEY, KENT
WILLIAM " SON 16 "
HENRY " SON 7 NOT KNOWN, MIDDX
SELINA " DAUR 5 PADDINGTON, MIDDX
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JOHN ROBERT LONG HEAD 19 MARINER BETHNAL GREEN, MIDDX
ELIZABETH " WIFE 19 BROMLEY, KENT
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1871
19 PRINCES ROAD, HOMERTON, HACKNEY, MIDDX
WILLIAM F HARLOCK HEAD 52 GAS FITTER DORSET
SELINA " WIFE 53 BROMLEY, KENT
ELIZABETH " DAUR 28 (UNM) LAUNDRESS "
HENRY " SON 17 LABOURER PADDINGTON, MIDDX
SELINA " DAUR 13 SERVANT "
ANN VERRELL MOTHER 79 BROMLEY, KENT
JAMES BRIGHTWELL BOARDER 17 DRAPER HOMERTON, MIDDX
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Bryant
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Hi,
Thanks for getting in touch.
Mary Ann Dunbar was born 17 Jul 1878 in Shoreditch.
Selina's marriage to Thomas was on 13 Feb 1873 in Shoreditch, I have the certificate.
Thomas appears as a Joseph in other documents & census's that I have which is odd.
I did find Selina on the 1871 census before she married, living in Hackney. Her mother also a Selina also appeared on this census.
Not sure the one you have is for the same family.
Sadie
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Definitely the same family.........different husband (brother?) although it appears they never married? but right family ;D
see amendments to my previous reply
Bryant
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Hey that's great.
Have you seen the same issues as me with the Thomas or Joseph Dunbar name?
Which part of the family are you connected to?
Sadie
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Hello Sadie
Just an old post to me! not related in any shape or form :-*
Happy hunting
Bryant
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Well thank you very much for your help, you have inspired me to pull my finger out & get more hunting done.
Sadie