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Title: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: dee-jay on Monday 26 September 05 02:08 BST (UK)
Could some kind soul please do lookups for LEWIS and WESTALL families in the Index to the Toomer Census at BRO searchroom, reference T/B 77?
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: dee-jay on Monday 26 September 05 13:53 BST (UK)
This is no 'typo'!  From all accounts, Joseph Toomer was a three-times Mayor of Newbury.  This unofficial census appears to have been taken between late-May and early-June 1815:  updates made until 1878.
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: newbie on Tuesday 27 September 05 12:07 BST (UK)
Hello,
I am now back from my holiday and can sometimes do look ups at the Berks Record Office, I will probably be going next week (I did think it was typo!) can you wait.......?
as long as it is readable I should be able to do it then
Newbie :)
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: dee-jay on Tuesday 27 September 05 17:42 BST (UK)
Wonderful, Newbie!  The index is modern [2003?] and, according to the Berks FHS Journal Dec 2003 arrangements were then in place for microfilming the whole census of some 5000 residents.

In 1820 'my' William WESTALL married Sarah LEWIS, a minor, at Newbury St Nicolas, both otp.  He provided a perfect signature and was subsequently recorded in PRs as a bargemen at Bartholomew Street.  He died, very inconveniently[!], before 1841, so I can't hazard a guess at where he was actually born or likely parentage.  However, I do know there were other WESTALLs in Newbury  - a possible sibling John also involved with the canal as either bargemen or agent.

These have been 'on the back burner' for years 'cos my Grandfather told 'porkies' about his age at marriage and adopted a first Christian name that didn't feature in either civil registration or baptism!  Another week won't hurt me .........  Kind regards.
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: newbie on Wednesday 28 September 05 14:15 BST (UK)
Going this week now  ;D
Newbie
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: dee-jay on Thursday 29 September 05 01:45 BST (UK)
Magic!
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: newbie on Thursday 29 September 05 16:33 BST (UK)
I've been! ;D

Index to Joseph Toomer's census of Newbury 1815. (D/Ex 1718/7/3)
Original Doc. Ref:  MF 30759
( I only looked at the index not the original doc)

Name
Westall,  Charlotte, Age 18, Occupation - --, Address, Quarringtons Yard, Mary Hill, Date : 22 May, Page No : 30, Notes: ---
Westall , John, Age 25, Occupation: Bargeman, Address : Quarringtons Yard Mary Hill,  Date : 22 May, Page No 30, Notes: ----


LEWIS : -
There were pages of them, I have sent you a personal message about this.
Hope it helps
Newbie.

Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: dee-jay on Wednesday 15 September 10 15:30 BST (UK)
Can SKS please check to see if there is mention of a John TALBOT in this index?  I've recently discovered that a Sarah WESTAL married him at Newbury only 4 days after the marriage of 'my' William WESTALL there, so I'm trying to establish if there was a link.
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: newburychap on Wednesday 15 September 10 16:23 BST (UK)
A transcript (and index) is available on CD from Berks FHS (£7).

The original is at the BRO, but they won't get it out as they have fiched it and expect you to use the fiche (no index).

A copy of the fiche is in Newbury Library and West Berks Museum have a photocopy of the original. I think both have the CD.
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: Sloe Gin on Wednesday 15 September 10 18:15 BST (UK)
Don't overlook the 1831 East Ilsley "census"  ;)  A Drunken Worthless Creature (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,459879.0.html)

There are some Westalls featured, dee-jay. 
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: ivygreen on Wednesday 15 September 10 21:13 BST (UK)
I have Toomer's Newbury Census of 1815 on a CD which was with the March 2009 edition of the Who Do You Think You Are magazine.

John Talbot age 48 lived at Union Court, Northbrook Street with Margaret Talbot age 47.  There is a note that she died in March 1816.

There is also an Agnes Talbot living in Northbrook Street.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: dee-jay on Thursday 16 September 10 03:12 BST (UK)
Many thanks for the prompt responses, folks.

Newburychap:
I only wanted to know if there was a John TALBOT in Newbury as early as 1815 as the only TALBOT resident recorded in 1841 was Anne at Speen.  I've already expended precious cash for the Overseers Records in which my 'transient' WESTALLs do not feature.

Sloe Gin:
Having just purchased the WESTAL[L] variants from the Berks FHS Marriage Index, I'm very tempted by that publication .....  ;D  However, fresh leads now take me into the Tilehurst and Padworth PRs in pursuit of the issue of William WESTALL & Sophia CLARK who married at Padworth 02 Sep 1788 and had a son William [possibly 'my' Bargeman?] baptized Tilehurst 31 Aug 1800 according to the IGI.

Ivygreen:
Bless you for the details.  Was there by any chance mention of John TALBOT's occupation?  I've located 2 possible candidates with a wife Sarah born out of County.
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: ribbo39 on Thursday 16 September 10 04:59 BST (UK)
Dee-Jay,

Not quite the info your seeking, but from the Berks Burial Index (ex BFHS) is this burial;
22-4-1840  William  Westall  age 39 in Newbury St.Nicholas register.

This may fill in a gap.

Alan
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: dee-jay on Thursday 16 September 10 11:01 BST (UK)
Thank you for your trouble, Alan but this is the chap who's been my brickwall for yonks because of his untimely death.  Obviously he's not recorded in a census and, because of the very nature of his work, his origins could be anywhere.   ???

One of my correspondents recently discovered a baptism at Newbury St Nicolas for John Clark WESTALL, son of William & Sophia, which 'kick-started' a search for the parents' marriage and his siblings because he is a strong contender for the John WESTALL, Bargeman, who spent part of his life in Newbury and the remainder in Reading with occupations connected to canal business.

Having a bargeman on my maternal side and a night coachman on the paternal have been huge barriers to overcome but the knowledge gained in their pursuit for the last 20+ years has enabled me to assist many others in knocking down brickwalls.  The very nature of their occupations contributed to their early demise and, without mentions in the Poor Law records or a census, 'sideway sweeps' for any siblings have often been thwarted also.   It pays to keep an open mind in this business but at times it feels like a dual carriageway .....  ::)
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: ivygreen on Monday 20 September 10 09:52 BST (UK)
Hi Dee-jay

Sorry for the delay in replying.  No I'm afraid there are no details of occupation in the 1815 census for John Talbot.
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: Sloe Gin on Monday 20 September 10 15:12 BST (UK)
Hi ivygreen

Please could you be kind enough to see if there is a William and/or Jane BAILEY mentioned in the Toomer census.  Thanks!
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: ivygreen on Monday 20 September 10 17:22 BST (UK)
Sloe

There are two Jane Baily's (without the e) one aged 50 of Quarrington's Yard, Mary Hill and one aged
9 of Mary Hill, east side of.

There is also a William Baily aged 3 also of Mary Hill, east side of.

There is no William or Jane Bailey spelt that way.
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: Sloe Gin on Monday 20 September 10 17:29 BST (UK)
Thanks very much for that.  It will be the adult Jane who may be of interest - does it show anyone else in the same household?
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: ivygreen on Monday 20 September 10 18:32 BST (UK)
Other Baily's at Quarrington's Yard, Mary Hill

Elizabeth age 80 (widow)

George age 60 (Labourer)

James age 23

Hope this is useful!
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: Sloe Gin on Monday 20 September 10 18:52 BST (UK)
Excellent, thanks very much again.  :)
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: dee-jay on Friday 24 September 10 02:38 BST (UK)
Hi Dee-jay

Sorry for the delay in replying.  No I'm afraid there are no details of occupation in the 1815 census for John Talbot.

Many thanks, Ivygreen.  I missed the recent developments on this topic for some reason, hence my slow response.
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: aktiva on Monday 25 February 13 02:48 GMT (UK)
Hello Everyone from Canada!

About this Toomers Census: is it strictly the people who lived right in the town of Newbury? or are any of the surrounding estates mentioned?

I am knocking myself out trying to track down Joseph FOSTER who married Elizabeth COOPER.must have been around 1775 ish.....and lived up at Summerhurst Green: which I take is somewhere between Newbury and Thatcham.......although their son: Jonathon b. 1778 and his wife Mary.........who had two daughters: Jane and Charlotte who eventually moved to London would say they were from Newbury.

I take it thats just because that was the closest town rather than a true fact??

I would be happy to purchase the Toomer Cd if I could even do a keyword search to see if the surname Foster is in it.........but that doesnt seem possible.

Any guidance here?

Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: newburychap on Monday 25 February 13 10:11 GMT (UK)
Toomer's census of Newbury, 1815, is of the Borough of Newbury - no surrounding villages, not even the entire town - just the Borough (contiguous with St Nicolas' parish).  The northern end of the town (Speenhamland) was not part of the Borough at that date and is not included.
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: KN on Friday 01 March 13 11:11 GMT (UK)
Here's a reference to LEWIS from the Upper Meeting House Presbyterian Church baptisms and burials (published by the Eureka Partnership)

12 Nov 1822 Hannah wife (of) John LEWIS of Newbury died 6 Nov at her daughters house Speenhamland and was buried in the burying ground belonging to the Upper Meeting House, Newbury.

KN
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: janjim on Tuesday 14 May 13 05:44 BST (UK)
Hi,
Have just discovered your posting on the 1815 census, and hope you may be able to help me.
I have been researching the New family of Newbury, one in particular a Daniel New who was born
1.5.1792 at Ashbury, he married Lucy Wootton on the 8.7.1826 at Reading.    His first child of the marriage, Martha New was born in 1826 at Newbury and several children thereafter.     Just would like to see if Daniel moved to Newbury before his marriage, i.e. around the 1815 census.
Daniel's parents were Joseph New and Elizabeth (nee Hide)

1841 census shows Daniel & Lucy New living in Wash Road, Newbury.

Cheers
Jan

Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: Kimbrey on Tuesday 14 May 13 08:28 BST (UK)
Hi

There are only 2 NEW's listed in Toomers 1815 census,they are:-

Red Lion Yard
James NEW     58   shoemaker
Elizabeth NEW 58

Kim
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: janjim on Tuesday 14 May 13 09:05 BST (UK)
Hi Kim,
Thank you, that has definitely eliminated our Daniel New and family being there in 1815 anyway.
Yet to find out who James New the Shoemaker was though, will have to look at that further, he could be a relative.
jan
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: aktiva on Tuesday 14 May 13 12:12 BST (UK)
Wouldn't write them off as "not there" just yet. That census was just for a very small towns area and didn't include those living on farms or estates or various other pieces of the village.

In general, what we are discovering from the DNA of a lot of people in this region: a good many are very ancient Britains aka Brythonic Celts and have lived in the region or close by probably for the last 3,000 years or so.

The surname New has it's earliest known writing in Somerset: which is very close.  "Atten Ew" =New or At the Yew Tree.......meaning someone who lived near a Yew Tree: such trees being found around churches because they were considered to have great spiritual meaning.


Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: janjim on Wednesday 15 May 13 04:09 BST (UK)
Yes, it is quite possible, as Wash Road, was right out of the town centre on more rural type allotments from what I ascertained from my visit to Newbury a couple of years ago.
Do you have any more information on this James New that may assist?
Our Daniel New was a Draper, Hawker we believe.
Jan
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: newburychap on Wednesday 15 May 13 10:27 BST (UK)
The Toomer census covered every part of the parish and Borough of Newbury - town and rural - so it certainly included the Wash. If someone was living in greater Newbury and was not in the census then they were in the 'hamlet' as Speenhamland was often referred to, an urbanised area, or Woodspeen East (houses scattered along the London and Shaw roads). Both were part of Speen until they were added into the Borough of Newbury in 1878.
Title: Re: NEWBURY CENSUS 1815 at Berks RO
Post by: janjim on Thursday 16 May 13 00:12 BST (UK)
Thanks Newbury Chap, good to hear from you again.   I'm always on the lookout for any assistance on my New family members.   

Am awaiting copy of Roy Tubb's latest book, will enjoy reading this am sure.
Jan