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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: Bx2 on Saturday 24 September 05 05:25 BST (UK)
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Per the handwriting on the attachment, I am looking for the burial place for Elizabeth Wilson in 1848. I cannot read or understand the place names for this entry. Is it Hartfordshire (Hertfordshire) or Barkshire (Berkshire). Does anyone have any input for this handwriting, please?
I presume Elizabeth's entry (written about 1890) says buried, and the village has two 't' in the middle and one 't' in the county. (Overleaf 't' is definitely like these shown. I think the name starts with "H".)
I have found deaths per all of these same family dates. However, no two deaths are in the same area, so I don't know where any of the folks are buried. The last person, William Drury, died in Acton, Middlesex.
Thank you for your time.
Regards,
B
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Cor B, that's a real teaser ;D
The county is 4 letters and then shire, so I don't think it's Hertfordshire, I don't think there is much doubt that Elizabeth was buried, if we use the"b" from the buried, I think the county is Berkshire.
As to the place, we may as easily have a spelling problem here, as well as a reading problem. Can you confirm that the 2nd death listed was Timothy? if so then I think the place may start with a T or possibly an F.
Be interesting to see what the other Chatters think
Wendi
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Well, this is what I think it says (with Elizabeth's original spelling)
Mary ann Brown Died Oct the 6th 1845
Tomothey Vilson Died Feb 28th 1840
Ann Vilson Died Nov 18 1835
Elizabeth Wilson Died Sept 3th 1848 beriad at Haitting hartshire
William Drury Died July 5th 1878
I think she's trying to write "Hertshire" (for Hertfordshire) but I have no idea what Haitting could be :-\
Prue
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I agree with Prue, it does seem to say "Hertshire", look at the "t" in "sept" and the "h" in "the". Wonder what it means by "Haitting"??? ???
millerina
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B,
Is the a Capitol "H" overleaf ?
Wendi
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Good Morning, everyone. I'm pleased to see that you are stumped about this place as well!
I have added a small part from overleaf. Notice the "H" for Hanah has a long loop, and so the original answer seems to start "Hi." I do think it is Hertfordshire.
On the bottom line, notice the "t" in Matildia. It is not crossed. The "T" for Tomothey is the only "T", and I think it can safely be said this is Timothy. Perhaps it was pronounced differently by the person who wrote it.
I am not too sure of the literacy of the person who wrote this, but he or she was better than many I have read.
I don't know if this will help at al. We shall see what town names it may jog.
Regards,
B
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What about HITCHIN? The extra loop on the end of the capital H where we thought it said HAITTING could make it HITTING, which is pretty close. And Hitchin is in Herts...
Long shot? Worth a try!
Prue
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Could the county possibly be Lancashire? Written as Lankshire.
Another thought, maybe the town actually begins with A. It's definitely written with an H but just as "H's" are often dropped they are also sometimes added on.
Caro
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Peeps
I am convinced it says 'Larkshire'
Cal
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How about another long shot:
(Eaton) Hastings, Berkshire— miss-spelt of course; "Haisting"
I would opt for Berkshire, not Hertfordshire, anyway.
Good luck with it, it's a good one....
Rian
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I have cut out the letters from the initial posting which are causing problems, and put them on the top line of this pic. Below them I've put letters which look similar, from both of B's postings.
I think the letters in question are Capital H, small h, and small t.
Does this help anyone??
Prue
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Have you tried searching the death indexes/national burial index for Timothy ................ the less common name?
Casalguidi
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Thank you, everyone, for your input to my query. You have really been putting your mind to this one. My apologies for such a large second attachment. I hadn't realized the size of it. Sorry for any inconvenience when you were reading it.
I shall stay with my original thought that these two words each started with "H" and "h". The smaller "h" does not resemble the "b" in buried, in my opinion. Therefore, this word must begin with "h," I do believe. I also don't think it is Lancashire, either.
I do think that Prue's humdinger notion for Hitchin, Hertfordshire, must surely fit the bill, or be extremely close to it. Good one, Prue!
Rian, I gave a lot of thought to Berkshire originally, but no longer. Your suggestion of (Eaton) Hastings is a good one, too. However, I reasonably think that the writer would have managed to put "s" in the word for the sound. Having said that, I could also say that the “ch” should have been in Hitchin (if it is correct)!
I have spent some hours searching the AA road disc and MS Autoroute without success. So, I ask myself who else is available to solve this puzzle? Hence my posting - and look at the solid replies of help!
Casalguidi, I found the death registration for Timothy Wilson - the only one in that quarter - in Durham. I had checked all these deaths before, as I noted on posting this question. I had not checked any of them on the Burial index, however.
(I believe these folks are relatives of my GtGtGndmother, who was born Eliza Wilson in 1809, at Hayes, Middlesex. She is the widow of William Drury, the last person noted above in 1878. I only know of these persons because of this writing we have been checking, hence no places of death (or where they lived) are known to me.)
Perhaps yet another of us who rises to this challenge will post a different name here. Thanks again to you all for your input. It just shows how much we like to help each other, not to mention being first across the 'finish line', of course. Good Game! Good Game!
Kind Regards,
B
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Burial index all over, I hope this helps 'cos I am not impressed with this index at all
5 Jan 1847 Elizabeth WILLSON 44 Leics Edmondthorpe, St Michael & All Angels
22 Jan 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 3 Yorks W/R Leeds, Woodhouse St Mark
14 Feb 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 43 Lincs Grantham, St Wulfram
21 Feb 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 1 Warwicks Foleshill, St Laurence
28 Feb 1847 Elizabeth Louisa WILSON 10m London City of London, Tower Hamlets Cemetery
10 Mar 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 83 London City of London, St Giles without Cripplegate
16 Mar 1847 Ann Elizabeth WILSON inf Lincs Grantham, St Wulfram
19 Mar 1847 Elizabeth WILLSON 33 Lincs Spalding, St Mary & St Nicholas
21 Mar 1847 Elizabeth Ann WILSON 4 London City of London, St Bartholomew the Great
27 Mar 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 6 Bucks Emberton, All Saints
29 Mar 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 69 Herts Abbots Langley, St Lawrence
31 Mar 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 31 Yorks W/R Leeds, St George
10 Apr 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 87 Suffolk Melton, St Andrew
14 Apr 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 17 Lincs Kirkstead, St Leonard
23 Apr 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 21 Yorks W/R Sheffield, St Mary
4 May 1847 Elizabeth WILSON inf Lincs Bishop Norton, St Peter
6 May 1847 Eliz WILSON 14 Nbland Hexham, St Andrew
9 May 1847 Elizabeth Ellen WILSON 12 Lincs Scredington, St Andrew
17 May 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 16 Lancs Cartmel, Priory Church of St Mary
24 Jun 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 46 Durham Medomsley, St Mary Magdalene
4 Jul 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 16 Durham Medomsley, St Mary Magdalene
1 Sep 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 2 Yorks E/R Blacktoft, Holy Trinity
22 Sep 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 7 Yorks W/R Heckmondwike, St James
1 Dec 1847 Jane Elizabeth WILSON 4 London City of London, Tower Hamlets Cemetery
4 Dec 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 56 Notts Carlton in Lindrick, St John the Evangelist
19 Dec 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 73 Yorks N/R Great Smeaton, St Eloy
23 Dec 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 78 London City of London, St Andrew Holborn
28 Dec 1847 Elizabeth WILSON 6 Yorks W/R Tinsley, St Lawrence
1848 Elizabeth WILSON Yorks W/R Leeds, Beckett St Cemetery
19 Jan 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 18m Notts East Leake, St Mary the Virgin
13 Feb 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 70 Warwicks Coventry, St Michael
18 Feb 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 71 Yorks W/R Halifax, St John the Baptist
25 Feb 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 3 Yorks N/R Hawes, St Margaret
29 Feb 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 27 Lincs Bishop Norton, St Peter
19 Mar 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 1d Cheshire Stockport, Municipal Cemetery
16 Apr 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 2 Yorks W/R Sheffield, Attercliffe Christ Church
23 Apr 1848 Adelaide Elizabeth WILSON 1w Warwicks Coventry, St Michael
23 Apr 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 85 Northants Thrapston, St James
7 May 1848 Ann Elizabeth WILSON 14m Yorks W/R Sheffield, St Mary
25 Jun 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 63 Lincs Old Bolingbroke, St Peter & St Paul
7 Jul 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 7w W'morland Hugill, St Anne
11 Jul 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 78 Lincs Morton by Bourne, St John the Baptist
23 Aug 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 60 Yorks W/R Sheffield, St James
3 Sep 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 40 Lincs Caythorpe, St Vincent
10 Sep 1848 Henrietta Elizabeth WILSON 1 Yorks W/R Whitkirk, St Mary
5 Oct 1848 Ann Elizabeth WILSON 9w Yorks W/R Sheffield, Heeley Christ Church
17 Oct 1848 Elizabeth WILSON 1 Yorks W/R Ravenfield, St James
1849 Ann Elizabeth WILSON chd Yorks W/R Leeds, Beckett St Cemetery
1849 Elizabeth WILSON Yorks W/R Leeds, Beckett St Cemetery
1849 Elizabeth WILSON chd Yorks W/R Leeds, Beckett St Cemetery
7 Jan 1849 Betty WILSON Lancs Rusland, St Paul
7 Jan 1849 Betty WILSON 76 Lancs Colton, Holy Trinity
14 Jan 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 9d Warwicks Coventry, London Road Civic Cemetery
30 Jan 1849 Elizabeth Emily WILSON 7 London City of London, Bunhill Fields Burial Ground
1 Mar 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 41 Hunts Abbotsley, St Margaret
2 Mar 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 68 Yorks W/R Sheffield, St Peter & St Paul
11 Mar 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 1 Notts Sutton in Ashfield, St Mary Magdalene
4 Apr 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 78 Lincs Boston, St Botolph
6 Apr 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 24 Lincs Welton by Lincoln, St Mary
7 Apr 1849 Elizabeth Mary WILLSON 62 Leics Sheepy Magna, All Saints
11 Apr 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 78 Yorks W/R Sheffield, St Mary
15 Apr 1849 Ann Elizabeth WILSON 3 Durham Redmarshall, St Cuthbert
29 Apr 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 66 Warwicks Coventry, London Road Civic Cemetery
13 May 1849 Elizabeth Ann WILSON 31 Kent Biddenden, All Saints
14 May 1849 Elizabeth WILSON inf Lancs Kirkby Ireleth, St Cuthbert
28 May 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 81 Yorks N/R Masham, St Mary
28 Jul 1849 Betsy WILSON 13 Suffolk Gislingham, St Mary
30 Aug 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 59 Yorks W/R Heckmondwike, St James
6 Sep 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 57 Yorks N/R Yarm, St Mary Magdalene
8 Sep 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 67 Herts Hitchin, St Mary
9 Sep 1849 Ann Elizabeth WILSON 20 Middx City of London, St John Clerkenwell
24 Oct 1849 Elizabeth WILSON inf Yorks W/R Swinton, St Margaret
1 Nov 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 57 Somerset Banwell, St Andrew
18 Nov 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 15m Yorks W/R Sheffield, St Mary
13 Dec 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 37 Essex White Roding, St Martin
20 Dec 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 39 Notts Epperstone, Holy Cross
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There is one Timothy Wilson died aged 3 in October 1840, West Riding Yorks, Leeds
No Ann Wilsons in October, but there is in November, West Riding again
There are two William Drury's wrong months again, West Riding and one Cheshire
Andrew
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Andrew, thank you very much indeed for your posting. I shall have to get weaving and order a death certificate (or two!) to find more details about the elusive Wilson folk.
It was very kind of you to spend your time finding all the names for me, and I greatly appreciate it.
(Just seen your other posting, too. Thanks)
Kind Regards,
B
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In the Burial list Andrew posted there is the following
8 Sep 1849 Elizabeth WILSON 67 Herts Hitchin, St Mary
I think your handwritten list is a death/burial
3 Sep 1848 Elizabeth WILSON Hitting Hertshire
This is a wild assumption, but if your handwritten list is transcripts from memorials/gravestones, which are hard to decipher when worn, the 8 could be mistranstribed as a 3 and 1848 and 1849 might also be confused if the sandstone oon the headstone is worn.
Just thought i'd confuse the issue further ;D
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Thanks for your thoughts. Anything is possible, and confusion is the middle name in this game!
However, I shall 'stay' with all the information provided by Andrew. The writing on the page is quite clear, and all other handwritten information on other pages has proved to be accurate. I do not believe any of it was taken from gravestones, but compiled from known family details noted through the years.
It is always nice to hear the views of fellow researchers and I pleased to have read your input. Thank you for your time.
Happy searching to you - and to everyone else - in 2006.
Regards,
B
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I think its taken from parish records - except any that I want
but I'm pleased its of use to someone
If you need another lookup just yell
Andrew
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Thank you very much indeed, Andrew. I'll bear that in mind.
Kind Regards,
B
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Just a last thought.
There is a Haileybury in Hertfordshire, next to the village of Hertford Heath, between Hertford & Hoddesdon.
It is home to a large Public School,used to be boys only but they now take 6th form girls.
Meliora
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Thank you for that useful snippett, Meliora. I shall look at that village name, but Hitchin still is favourite for me.
Regards,
B