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Would someone be kind enough to check out 36 Spring St, Paddington (which I think is Holborn in 71) RG10/386 f4-7?XXXX
Probably RG10/23 f69-71 ...sorry!
The family should be KEY or RATNETT (hairdressers)
Thanks in advance
Doreen
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Hi Doreen
In 1871, 36 Spring Street, Paddington is occupied by a lace manufacturer name of CARTER, his family and a BREWER niece RG10/23 folio 71 page 25
Casalguidi
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HI Doreen
In 1871 hairdresser Rachael Key is at 15 Sheldon Street,Paddington.
Rachael Key 40 b Northampton hairdresser
Sister Emma J Key 24 b City London hair cutter
Nephew Charles W S Tull 15 b poss ditto under hair cutter?
Can't read where he was born- looks like Copian Noodle!!!
Servant Susan Mogridge 14 b Bayswater general servant.
RG10/25 folio 66 page 5
Hope this helps- sorry the writing is very spidery and faint though.
Regards
Carol
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Thank-you both! I wonder where mum was...Rebecca Key b1802 Northampton? I suppose she might have gone to stay with one of her other daughters, as I know she was still alive til 1882. Does she show up on your index, by any chance?
regards
Doreen
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Hi Doreen
They seem to have swopped a Key for a Tull ;D ;D ;D
Rebecca is at 27 Bridge Street Northampton at James's house !!!
RG 10/1487 folio 41 page 31
Household,
James Ratnett head unm 28 bookseller b Brixworth
Rebecca Key aunt 62 widowed b Brixworth
Mary A Tull visitor 12 scholar b Poplar London.
I know Brixworth very well,my brother and sister in law live there.It has the 2nd oldest church in the country. http://www.britannia.com/church/saxchurch/brixworth1.html
Hope this helps
carol
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Curious! I didn't know any of the Ratnetts were still in Northampton, and don't know which one he (James) is. I suppose he could be her brother James' son. I guess I shall have to do some Northampton research for this lot!
Thank you for that extra info, I now have her all the way from cradle to grave (a rarity) :D
regards
Doreen
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This is odd Doreen ;D
In 1861 and stlil at 27 Bridge St,Northampton,is
James Ratnett 29 unm head b Northampton a stationer
Mary Turner 50 unm servant b Kettering.
So is this the same James? Or a different generation?
In 1871 he was mistranscribed at Ralnett.
Something for you to look at after the washing up ;)
All the best
Carol
EDIT have just taken another look at 1871 and yes James is very clearly 28.
1 year younger than he was 10 years before !!! I like those sorts of birthdays ;)
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Ahh I see what you mean ;D
As the parents (that I think must be his) weren't married til 1829, I think he must have been born 1832ish (but he isn't on the IGI unless badly transcribed, drat!).
So, the 1861 is right & the 1871 is telling porkies (unless auntie filled the form in & forgot what she was doing).
cheers Carol
Doreen
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Doreen
As I don't live far from Northampton I could look up 27 Bridge Street for you if you like.The road is still there,but I suspect it is now a shop or office building.
Not sure which way the road is numbered.
All the best
Carol
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Thank you Carol for that kind offer, but I am pretty sure it is and always was a shop, and you will probably get rear-ended trying to spot housenumbers!
I've been through Northampton a time or two myself, and this family really isn't high enough on my 'close family' list to warrant the hassle.
I am perfectly happy with the info provided for me here today. :D
Cheers
Doreen
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Hi
I don't know if you are still interested in this family, but I am directly descended from the Keys, Ratnetts and Tulls and can explain how they all link together. I also have photos of several of them. If you are interested, please respond to this and I will let you have details.
Thanks,
Liz
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Hi Liz
I'd forgotten about this posting! Strictly speaking, I'm not related to any of them... Rachael Emma Key b 1868 was George Walter Baylis's (my great-grandfather) second wife, and the one that my father remembers as his grandmother. Her parents were Charles Key (1830-1906) and Harriet Burley (1836-1893), and I believe they had 8 children, 3 of whom died young.
I have pieced enough of them together to follow the Key/Ratnett/Tull family links. Where do you fit into the tree?
regards
Doreen
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Hi Doreen
My great great grandfather was William Stewart Tull (1824 - 1896). He married Charlotte Key (1834 - 1891; daughter of Edward Key and Rebecca Ratnett). The Tulls, Keys and Ratnetts were quite close and can be found at one another's homes in Northampton, London and Huntingdonshire in various censuses.
William and Charloitte had 8 children and for some reason (maybe related to mixed fortunes which William Stewart Tull was subject to), Charlotte's sisters Rachel and Emma Key brought up my great grandfather Harry Tull.
Harry went on to have two children - my grandfather Leslie Stuart Tull and my great aunt Sybil May Tull. Unfortunately Leslie died before I was born, but I knew my great aunt Sybil quite well, and she remembered the Key sisters well.
I have quite a lot of additional information about them (including numerous photos) if you are interested.
Regards,
Liz
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Hi Liz
I seem to have missed one of your 8.. I have:-
Charles William S(tewart?) b1856
Mary Ann Charlotte b1859 m1877 Joseph Birkett
Edward Key b1863 m? Minnie
Alfred Thomas b1865
Rebecca Ann b1867 m1892 Edwin Alfred Munt
Harry b1870 m? Charlotte Sprigs
Albert Ernest b1875
Do you have any photos of Charles Key and/or Harriet Burley?
Dad remembers some of the Keys moved out to Laindon in the early years of the war, in fact there were two almost next door to each other (known as front-door-key & back-door-key). Must ask him if he remembers any of the Tulls.
regards
Doreen
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Sorry I can't count - you are right it is seven siblings. I am adding a few details below:
Charles William Stuart (1856 - 1876)
Mary Ann (1859 - ) = 1877 Joseph Birkett
Edward Key (1863 - 1946) m 1889 Susan Minnie Peters
Alfred Thomas (1865 - ) = 1894 Zarah Benabo
Rebecca (1867 - 1949) = 1892 Edwin Alfred Munt
Harry (1870 - 1959) = (1) 1897 Charlotte Sprigs
= (2) 1932 Margaret Cecily Volkert
Albert Ernest (1875 - )
I don't have any photos of Charles Key I am afraid. I do have pictures of Emma, Rachel and Charlotte Key, and of their mother Rebecca Ann Key (née Ratnett) and of her parents John & Elanor Ratnett.
Liz
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Gosh! I don't have dates for Eleanor & John, but either they were extrordinarily old photos, or they must have lived to a goodly age! I would like those photos please, and I have a couple of Charles Edward Key & family and Rachel Emma Key, but I can't see how to attach files in this mode ? I also have traced this family though quite a few censuses etc
regards
Doreen
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Hi again,
I am not sure what is the best way to let you see the photos. I have them attached to my Ancestry tree, and I can send you an invite to that if you can let me have your email address.
Incidentally, the pictures of John and Eleanor Ratnett are actually portraits that I have taken photos of. The original portraits hang in my Dad's study. That all sounds very exciting, but I am afraid they are not the most attractive folks (bit grumpy looking), and that's why my Mum won't let him hang them anywhere else in the house!!
Liz