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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: balston11 on Wednesday 09 September 26 09:46 BST (UK)
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Trying to find details of David Lloyd and his wife Margaret. I have nothing except that they were the parents of Charles Lloyd born 2/2/1778 Castle Rising, baptised much later July 1781 at St Margarets and St Nicholas Kings Lynn.
I am after all the usual family tree details. Thanks
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Have you looked to see if they appear on any family trees?
No other baptisms in either place or burials for the parents?
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I can only find one tree with Charles in it and it is a private tree
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Just wondering if you have found any other children baptised with those parents' names.
I can't see a marriage in Norfolk - and David Lloyd is quite a 'Welsh' name. I am thinking the couple may have originated from Wales. (Which doesn't help progress the search at all!)
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FreeREG has several bapts to David/Margaret Lloyd Kings Lynn;
Extra info On Charles bapt;
Shown As Mr David Lloyd And Margaret His Wife.
Elizabeth 1761
Henry 1765
David Dixon 1766
Margaret 1769
Cicely 1770
Sarah 1774
Latitia 1781
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Burial same Church;
DAVID Lloyd 23 Nov 1794 2 records same date notes have;
Rev LLD Master Of The Grammar School and Reverend Doctor.
Marriage of MARGARET Lloyd, spinster to James WALLACE of Paddington 6 Sep 1797
Witnesses Sarah? and Cecelia Lloyd
(Sarah may be Sarah Lloyd 1774?)
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Thanks Good info a few more bits for me to research. On all the records were father's occupation is shown it says Mr could that be minister I have seen records of a David Lloyd a clergyman in Kings Lynn
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Mr is Mr (Mister)
Other record has Reverend Doctor;
Not religious so had to google;
The correct and formal style is "The Reverend Doctor" (abbreviated as The Rev. Dr.) when preceding the full name of an ordained minister who also holds an earned doctoral degree.
The King's Lynn Grammar School is now known as the King Edward VII Academy, a mixed comprehensive secondary school located on Gaywood Road in King's Lynn, Norfolk
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Another google;
When you see "Reverend LL.D." (or "Rev. LL.D.") attached to a person's name, it means the individual is an ordained minister who also holds a Doctor of Laws degree.
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A David Dixon Lloyd married 1790 in Suffolk, to Widow Mary Fairclough.
A Witness was Margt Lloyd Mother or Sister?
He seems to have died 1808, probate Essex.
Will is on Anc
Hard to read for me due to eye problem but seem sto mention;
Mother Margt
Brother Henry
Sister Cecelia
Wife Mary
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Great finds Trish -- I wonder if Margaret's maiden name was Dixon - in view of a son being named David Dixon Lloyd.
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Sometimes I surprise myself with my luck when researching!
Marriage;
01 Jan 1761 St Nicholas, Deptford, Kent
David LLOYD, Bachelor of Parish of Saint Margaret, Kings Lynn, Norfolk, abode Kings Lynn*****
Margaret HUTTON Spinster of St Nicholas Parish, abode Deptford
Witnesses, Geo Hutton/Thos Eccles
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I dont think so as that looks like the right Marriage.
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Good find. That's my theory blown out of the water!!
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Well it could be Davids or Margarets mothers mn ;)
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Yes -- I agree.
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Back tomorrow night, late here in OZ :)
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Thanks all great info BTW David Dixon Lloyd is one of the baptisms listed on FreeReg son of David and Margaret also listed just as David
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I am slightly dubious about the reverend David Lloyd being the same David Lloyd as the baptisms that I can see the original records for say Mr David Lloyd whereas I would have thought they would use his title if it was him.
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Notes
Ipswich Journal 26 June 1790
Wednesday: married at Nayland Church by the Rev. William Jones, Mr. David Dixon Lloyd, surgeon of said town to Mrs. Fairclough widow of William Fairclough Esq.
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Another point of interest is that in most of the official documents I can find he is referred to as Mr David Lloyd most other men are just referred to by their names does this mean a person of some standing.
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Margaret gets £50 in the will of Deborah Bailey of Kings Lynn, dated 1777.
Her husband David the schoolmaster
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSN6-8WPP
Perhaps he was ordained later?
Clergy Database has this David Lloyd (among many others)
https://theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/persons/CreatePersonFrames.jsp?PersonID=113876
Copy of part of ancestry's version of those CCEd records
24 Dec 1786
David Lloyd
Qualification LLD
College Jesus
University Oxford
Employment Church Cathedral
Employment Place Norwich
Clerical Status Priest
Type Ordination
Letters Dimissory No
When you see "Reverend LL.D." (or "Rev. LL.D.") attached to a person's name, it means the individual is an ordained minister who also holds a Doctor of Laws degree.
This may all be way off beam, but some of the entries from Foster's Alumni Oxonienses attached
The son of Llewellyn might fit on age and is Doctor of Civil Law :-\
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Relevant or not, throw in this!
Will of Llewelin Lloyd of Cilcennin, Cardigan, Gent
1764
https://viewer.library.wales/945246#?xywh=-1923%2C0%2C6836%2C3840&cv=
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Kings Lynn poor rates
Sedgeford Lane Ward
1785
Dr. David Lloyd
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DR17-FKZ
1786
Dr. David Lloyd
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DR17-N4W
Not sure what they did with him in 1787
1788
Revd. Dr. David Lloyd
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DR17-NH3
Could that tie in with the ordination in late 1786?
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Baptism at Cilcennin, 13 February 1735/6
David the son of Llewelyn (or Lewelyn?) Loyd and Lettia his wife was Baptised the 13th day of February 1735
Mum's name is a bit squeezed on the image, so perhaps it may say Lettice
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/62e95a17f493fdfbd2d64f41
Older brother Charles, baptised 2 April 1730
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5ca62e2df493fd23bb15ac47
Burial of Lettice Lloyd, 15 December 1761
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5ca630a6f493fd23bb15ae44
Llewelin Lloyd, 27 February 1764
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5ca630a6f493fd23bb15ae68
The baptism of Latitia Lloyd in Lynn in 1781, mentioned by Trish. Is that name significant?
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5818da13e93790eca3f443d0
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Back to your earlier question;
"Another point of interest is that in most of the official documents I can find he is referred to as Mr David Lloyd most other men are just referred to by their names does this mean a person of some standing"
Mr is a term of a man of standing;
Google;
The title "Mr." was exclusively reserved for gentlemen, wealthy landowners, merchants, blockholders, and men of high professional standing (such as clergy or doctors)
As to you saying;
I am slightly dubious etc about the baptsims being to the same David Lloyd.
It was up to the Clergyman who noted the baptisms to what was written about the Parents.
I doubt there was more than one David Lloyd around in Kings Lynn in that time frame.
Trish :)
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Back to your earlier question;
"Another point of interest is that in most of the official documents I can find he is referred to as Mr David Lloyd most other men are just referred to by their names does this mean a person of some standing"
Mr is a term of a man of standing;
Google;
The title "Mr." was exclusively reserved for gentlemen, wealthy landowners, merchants, blockholders, and men of high professional standing (such as clergy or doctors)
As to you saying;
I am slightly dubious etc about the baptsims being to the same David Lloyd.
It was up to the Clergyman who noted the baptisms to what was written about the Parents.
I doubt there was more than one David Lloyd around in Kings Lynn in that time frame.
Trish :)
Yes sure you are right, after all the vicar in Pride and Prejudice is referred to as Mr Collins
Thanks all keep the info coming
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Ok question.
Cant see any Trees for Charles.
Did he marry twice, 2nd time 1811, occp Doctor Of Laws?
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Baptism at Cilcennin, 13 February 1735/6
David the son of Llewelyn (or Lewelyn?) Loyd and Lettia his wife was Baptised the 13th day of February 1735
Mum's name is a bit squeezed on the image, so perhaps it may say Lettice
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/62e95a17f493fdfbd2d64f41
Older brother Charles, baptised 2 April 1730
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5ca62e2df493fd23bb15ac47
Burial of Lettice Lloyd, 15 December 1761
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5ca630a6f493fd23bb15ae44
Llewelin Lloyd, 27 February 1764
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5ca630a6f493fd23bb15ae68
The baptism of Latitia Lloyd in Lynn in 1781, mentioned by Trish. Is that name significant?
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5818da13e93790eca3f443d0
Thanks yes name may be significant but I can also find a David Lloyd baptism in Llandeilofawr, Carmarthenshire, Wales with parents William Lloyd and Lettice Lloyd 8/4/1733
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62102/records/221331?tid=&pid=&queryId=5e58a1ae-dad0-4bf4-ab00-09747c7f5ec6&_phsrc=prA19528&_phstart=successSource
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Baptism at Cilcennin, 13 February 1735/6
David the son of Llewelyn (or Lewelyn?) Loyd and Lettia his wife was Baptised the 13th day of February 1735
Mum's name is a bit squeezed on the image, so perhaps it may say Lettice
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/62e95a17f493fdfbd2d64f41
Older brother Charles, baptised 2 April 1730
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5ca62e2df493fd23bb15ac47
Burial of Lettice Lloyd, 15 December 1761
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5ca630a6f493fd23bb15ae44
Llewelin Lloyd, 27 February 1764
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5ca630a6f493fd23bb15ae68
The baptism of Latitia Lloyd in Lynn in 1781, mentioned by Trish. Is that name significant?
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5818da13e93790eca3f443d0
Thanks yes name may be significant but I can also find a David Lloyd baptism in Llandeilofawr, Carmarthenshire, Wales with parents William Lloyd and Lettice Lloyd 8/4/1733
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62102/records/221331?tid=&pid=&queryId=5e58a1ae-dad0-4bf4-ab00-09747c7f5ec6&_phsrc=prA19528&_phstart=successSource
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I am quite persuaded by the Oxford alumni entry though
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Found 1st Marriage to Elizabeth Cooper in Suffolk, Charles of Castle Rising.
Children bapt North Runcton, Norfolk
Harriet 1810
Charles 1812
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Is that your Charles???
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No Charles is 1779
County Norfolk
Place King's Lynn
Church name (Links to more information) St Margaret
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Birth date 25 Feb 1779
Baptism date * *
Person forename Charles
Person sex M
Father forename David
Mother forename Margaret
Father surname LLOYD
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Yes I know about that Bapt but who did your 1779 Charles Marry? + When/Where.
To have him in your Tree you must have those details and when/where did he die?
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Yes I know about that Bapt but who did your 1779 Charles Marry? + When/Where.
To have him in your Tree you must have those details and when/where did he die?
Details in a mixed order but all there:
First name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Lloyd
Last name Cooper
Spouse parish Castle Rising NFK
Gender Female
County Suffolk
Marriage year 1807
Country England
Marriage date 14 Jul 1807
Record set Suffolk Marriage Index
Place Freckenham
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Church St Andrew
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's first name(s) Charles
Collections from England, Great Britain
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In that case I same not convinced your Charles who married Elizabeth COOPER 1807 was the Son of David/Margaret Lloyd.
Elizabeth Lloyd nee Cooper is a Widow 1851/1861 Census.
A Housekeeper is her occp.
Her Burial has her abode as The Hall which is where she was a Housekeeper 1861 Census.
Burials;
St Lawrence, Castle Rising, Norfolk
ELIZABETH Lloyd 25 Mar 1871 age 85 ( born c 1786) abode the Hall
CHARLES Lloyd 22 Jan 1840 age 56 (born c 1784 )
I don't think they were well off so concerned that you have the wrong Parents for your Charles.
Elizabeth COOPER possible Christening 24 July 1785 Tuddenham, Suffolk, to VALENTINE/MARY
(Familysearch.Org)
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Got to sign out as late here in OZ.
I also think Charles 1812 died 1848 and Married Charlotte Ward 1837.
He was a Groom.
I will leave it for you and others to mull over.
Just my opinion.
Trish :)