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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Noells on Sunday 18 September 05 01:22 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I live in Australia and would really appreciate help. I am seeking details of Robert McCulloch and wife Janet McCulloch maiden surname Donald ( also shown as Jessie McDonald)
Their children born Glasgow - Ann born 12 Aug1822 married James Anderson in December 1841
Robert born 7 Dec1824 migrated to Australia 1853
Janet/Jessie born 9 Sept 1827
I am not sure if these census contain an address for family or the area in Glasgow where they were living, but if so that would be of great help to me.
Thanks in anticipation
Noelene
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Hi Noelene, I am new to all this I have found a Robert age 26 and Jessie 22 in 1851 living Hutchesontown which I believe is Glasgow. I don't know if anyone else would be able to find more for you. You can write with your details and ask for a census send thirteen pounds to Public Room New Register House Edinburgh EH13YT :)
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Sorry Noelene , I've re checked the 1841 indices and can find no trace of the family.
There are several entries matching individual names but none of them appear to link in any way to a single family (although this can be difficult to ascertain from the index alone).
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Hi Falkryn and irret
Thanks for persisting with this one for me.
I am pretty sure that the 1851 entry for Robert and Jessie which you both found for me are my Robert and his sister, so that has been a major breakthrough.
I was hoping that a further check of the 1841 might reveal something in light of the District where they were in 1851, but no such luck. I am not sure where to go from here.
As Robert and his sisters births are shown on the OPR'S as being "lawful child" does this mean that his parents would have definitely been married?
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Hi Noelene,
If you write to the address I gave you before you can order the marriage or banns, give their names and a guestimate as to year of marriage if they can't find there is no charge I forgot to say it should be addressed to the General Regastrar and end with Scotland after postecode.
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Hi irret
does this still apply to the OPR's?
They would have been married prior to 1821, and so far I have not been able to locate a marriage or banns in the OPR's
Noelene
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The GRO will conduct a limited search but it can be costly ........
this family is the only one in the area that comes anywhere close to matching your family BUT there are several major differences
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thanks for the latest details from the 1841 census.
Unfortunately I cannot claim this family. They are a family I found some years ago in the IGI. Father is Robert McCulloch and mother Jean Thompson. I just re-checked (because of Jane not Jean) and a search for children using the parents names brought up all those shown in the census with corresponding dates etc.
I suppose we now should assume my lot were not in Glasgow for the 1841. I have just re-checked Free Cen for recent additions - no luck of course.
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I forgot to ask- the fact that the births in the OPR's show Robert and Janet McCulloch's children as
"lawful child"
Can I assume that Robert and Janet were lawfully married?
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I don't know for sure but I think you could. :-\
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Yes.
Lawful child of ... = parents legally married
Natural child of ... = parents unmarried
ADP
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Hi, I have just found two matches for the marriage on http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/I have run out of credit damn but my search was McCulloch Robert and Janet All Parishes Jan 1810 Dec to 1835 when you consider the childrens ages this makes sense for the wedding.
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Hi
I checked Scotlandspeople, but only for the dates 1810 to 1822.
The first child born to Robert & Janet McCulloch was born in 1821 and was stated on OPR "lawful" ,thanks to ADP I know this means that they were married before this date.
I found one in 1815, but that was Robert McCulloch to Janet McNiven.
Thanks for the clue, I am now convinced that their marriage is not in the OPR'S .
Has anyone heard of the "wee Free" churches. A scottish friend here tells me they were different types of churches but she knows nothing about genealogy. Maybe they were married in one of these?
thanks to everyone for their help so far - researching is very frustrating over here on the far side of the world.
Noelene
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The Church in Scotland split over several matters .... primarily over state interference in the Church .......
A history of the "Free Church" can be found at http://www.ufcos.org.uk/hista.htm
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thanks for the web site, it makes interesting (if somewhat complicated ) reading.
The write up in the web site tells me that most of the actual churches in Glasgow seem to have been built well after 1822 and the church at Greenock which I thought might have been a likely one for my lot had all the records destroyed in the blitz!!
Is there anywhere Free church records can be searched? The LDS catalogue seems to be all Church of Scotland.
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Hoping the following will be of interest and help:-
My wife's great-great-great grandfather was James Anderson who married Margaret Locke and lived in the Gallowgate, Glasgow. He was a stone engraver. His son, also James, was the one who married Ann McCulloch (we have she was born 8 December 1821 - confirmed by children's birth certificates). They married on 2 December 1841 and were given as living at Old Parish, West Greenock, but we think perhaps only Ann lived there. James and Ann spent their married life mostly in Strathbungo, a village which became incoroporated into Glasgow. He became Superintendent of Tolls for the Renfrewshire Turnpike Trust. Yes, their son John did die. We have that they had 13 children, 3 of whom died. Ann died 21 October, 1899. James died 15 September 1886. Incidentally, in the 1891 census of Govan, Ann Anderson (formerly McCulloch) is given along with her sister (aged 63) Jessie Russell. Kind regards, Albert W
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Hi Albert
I am thrilled to hear from you. This is definitely the same family as I have all of these folk in my family tree program.
I have wondered for years if anyone else from the family was interested in Genealogy, but had no way of contacting current generations in Scotland.
I am assuming you are still living in Scotland?
I think you can access my email from this site, so I would love to keep in touch and share what we each have in our records.
I look forward to hearing from you again
Regards
Noelene
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Hi Noelene
My GG grandfather was James Anderson b 1822.My second name is Anderson.So Robert was my GGG grandfather.
My grandmother was Ann McCulloch Anderson.
I have just visited a cousin who told me of the Lock link.She lives in a castle and has a large portrait of,I think,Ann McCulloch b 1821.
Best wishes.
Ken
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Hi Ken
Good to hear from you. I have details in my family tree of a Kenneth Anderson McAdam, son of Menotti Garibaldi McAdam and Jeanette Nicol Brown.
Grandson of Menotti Garibaldi McAdam and Ann McCulloch Anderson in Glasgow.
So, if these are your family, we are definitely the same family, and I am happy to share all details of the family tree with you by private email.
I look forward to your reply.
bye for now
Noelene - In Australia
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Hi Noelene
That's me!Well tracked down.
I have concentrated 99% on McAdams so far and only looked at McCullochs afer visiting my cousin last Sunday.Thought I would help her with the portrait so looked for Ann Anderson details.Saw that James had been Superintendent of Toll from Ann's death certificate.Googled that and came up with your posts.
Happy to share my tree with you by e-mail.McAdams in the main,but my cousin seemed to have a lot of material on the Anderson and McCulloch side.
It would be great to see your tree.My e-mail is (*).
Best wishes.
Ken
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Hello Albert
Please see my post to Noelene.
I do not have much on the Andersons,but I think my Ann is the daughter of Alexander ( b. 1854).He was a son of James b. 1822.She was born in 1888 and died in 1959.
You mentioned Strathbungo and Epsom in your 2005 post.I used to live in Maxwell Park/Pollokshields in the 1970s. and now live 10 miles from Epsom!
Best wishes.
Ken
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Well - " Hello Cousin" from your relatives in Oz ;D
I hope that you can get a pm (personal email) to me. You should be able to do so on this site, however you may be interested to learn that we have a mutual "cousin" living in England near Oxford. Her name is Shelagh and she is going to endeavour to phone you. Shelagh saw our posts on this site and has emailed me to ask consent to give you my email address - so one way or the other we will be able to communicate. Shelagh is also a descendant of Ann McCulloch, and my husband James McCulloch is a direct descendant of Robert Bruce McCulloch.
Ann McCulloch born 1822 was the daughter of Robert McCulloch and Janet Donald who married in 1820. They had 2 other children - Robert Bruce McCulloch b 1824 and who migrated to Oz and Janet (Jessie) McCulloch b 1827. Ann McCulloch married James Anderson 1841 by which time both of her parents were dead. Maybe this is where your cousin got the idea of her being an orphan?
Shelagh, her husband David and I met through this web site, and they have also compiled a large amount of information.
Anyway, we are all very pleased to have made contact with you and are very happy to share our information with you. I have no doubt that you will also have information which will fill in some blanks for us with your side of the family. Between us we should end up with a tree large enough to paper a wall !!
Looking forward to future contact
Noelene
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Hello Noelene
Thanks for your note.I look forward to seeing your tree.There are a fair few McAdams in Australia as you will see.Only 2 male McAdams in Scotland now which is rather sad.
I thought all Shelaghs lived in Australia!
Just getting ready to watch the Ashes cricket.Hope that Australia can pull off a miracle as I do not support England-result of being a Scot who went to school in England.
Will try and send a PM with e-mail address.
Best wishes.
Ken
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Hi Noelene
Have attempted to send my e-mail address by PM.
Ken