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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: kathken on Saturday 17 September 05 14:38 BST (UK)
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Hello fellow searchers
Can anyone help with a lookup for James Cunningham,s birth details. His marriage certificate gives his parent's names as Andrew Cunningham and Agnes Brash. James is listed as 26 on the 1881 census for Glasgow, making his birth circa 1855, birthplace, Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, but listed as 21 on his marriage to Susan Anderson in 1873 which would make his birth year circa 1852. I am trying to get further back with my research but having trouble with records.
Regards
Kathleen
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Hi Kathleen,
I had a wee look in the British Vital Records for your James Cunningham born 1852 +/- 2 years with father Andrew and mother Agnes but couldn't find any.
The only one I can find is this one:
CUNNINGHAM, James Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 23 Oct 1852
Christening Date: 21 Nov 1852 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Father: Thomas CUNNINGHAM
Mother: Agnes BROWN
Source: FHL Film 1066602 Dates: 1700 - 1856
and his brother:
CUNNINGHAM, Angus Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 10 May 1854
Christening Date: 18 Jun 1854 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Father: Thomas CUNNINGHAM
Mother: Agnes BROWN
Source: FHL Film 1066602 Dates: 1700 - 1856
Of course if he wasn't born till 1855, your best bet would be to look for his birth at Scotland's People.
Anne
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Children of Andrew Cunningham and Agnes Brash found in familysearch.
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1. ANNIE CUNNINGHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 19 MAR 1862 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
2. JOSEPH CUNNINGHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 07 JAN 1872 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
3. Agness CUNNINGHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 11 APR 1845 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
4. Janet CUNNINGHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 1851 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
5. Agnes Cunningham - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 11 APR 1845 Cotbridge,Old Monklin, , , Scotland
6. MARGARET CUNNINGHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 13 NOV 1864 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
7. ANDREW CUNNINGHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 08 MAY 1859 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
8. WILLIAM CUNNINGHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 25 AUG 1856 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
9. Agnes Cunningham - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 11 APR 1845 Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland
1861 census index
Census taken BRIDGETON 644/3 enum dist 6 page 4
Andrew Cunningham age 36 born Glasgow
Agnes age 35 born Coatbridge
Janet age 9 born Coatbridge
James age 7 born Coatbridge
William age 4 born Glasgow
Andrew age 1 born Glasgow
Liz
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The 1851 index for lanarkshire County has
Andrew Cunningham age 26 Born Ireland par/ward 652 Dist 18 Pge 33 No.8
Agnes Cunnigham age 25 born STI Cumbernauld par/ward 652 Dist 18 Pge 33 No.9
Agnes age 6 born Old Monkland par/ward 652 Dist 18 Pge 33 No.10
Janet age 1 month born Old Monkland par/ward 652 Dist 18 Pge 33 No.11
parish 652 = Old Monkland
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Hello Anne, Liz and Falkryn
Wonderful information thanks everyone.
Anne, thanks for your help, I don't think I have a connection there, the date fits but none of the names match up. Can you let me know the web site for British Vital Records.
Liz, I must be doing something wrong, I tried the L.D.S. family search and came up with nothing on their parent search, what you have sent is a great help.
Falkryn, thank you, I have the 1861 census stats from Liz and now the 1851 stats from yourself. This is wonderful as it confirms an Irish ancestor for me.
Lots to be going on with now, thanks to you all.
Regards
Kathleen
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I don't know whether the BVR's are online anywhere, but again, you can buy the complete set from LDS direct, or . . . .
just post who you're looking for and we'll all dive in and try and help!
Anne
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Hello again Anne
Thanks for your reply, I am still trying to access James' birth certificate from which I hope to find the date of his parent's marriage and then from then to their parents. However as the date I have is circa 1852 it just misses the statutory records so I don't hold out much hope of finding too much information, will keep searching.
Regards
Kathleen
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Hi Kathleen, You can search for Andrew and Agnes's death certs. These would give you their parents names, provided they were known by the informant. You can also search for married women under both married and maiden names, again, only if it was known by the informant.
Liz
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Hello Liz
Thank you for that, your right, I think that would be a better way to go than the marriage certificate. Off I will go on another search.
Regards
Kathleen
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Hi there
My gggrandfather was Samuel cunningham who was Andrew Cunninghams brother. Andrew and Samuels parents were Joseph Cunningham and Agnes Roxburgh. Josephs parents were Alexander Cunningham and Agnes Reoch. Agnes Cunninghams parents were John Roxburgh and Agnes Allan. All of the above mentioned people were born in Ireland and immigrated to Glasgow Scotland and some of the future children were born in Glasgow. Samuel died in India in 1862 serving with the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders. His son was only 2 at the time and he is my ggrandfather James Cunningham. Let me know if you have anything else I might help you with or maybe you have some information you can share.
regards
Heather
Heather
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Hello Heather
Thank you for your message. There may be a connection. My James married Susan Anderson on 22 August 1873. James' parents are listed on the marriage certificate as Andrew Cunningham and Agnes Brash. That is as far as I have reached with my research, unfortunately I got distracted researching my McLachlan/McLauchlan ancestry. I do believe that Andrew was born in Ireland but don't have any information to substantiate that.
Regards
Kathleen
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Hello again Heather
Been looking through old messages from Rootschat and find I have Andrew age 26 born Ireland on the Old Monkland census 1851. Also the 1861 census for Bridgeton Andrew is recorded as being born in Glasgow. He must have changed to Glasgow to fit in I suppose. Would love to share any information regarding the Irish connection with you. I have found it very hard to discover any more information once you move into the Emerald Isle.
Regards
Kathleen
p.s. Are you the same Heather as Heather and Erin from Genes Re-united.
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Hi there, yes same as on Genes Reunited
I definitely have information on your James and his father and grandparents, and yes that census showing showing born in Scotland is them, but the father(andrew) was born in IRELAND. I have found that many a time that they just have said they were from the city the census was being taken. Anyways, I will look up what I have and the names I gave you are correct. I will get back to you when I get everything together.
talk to you soon
Heather
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Hello again
Great to hear back from you and looking forward to receiving the information you have. I am off to Wellington for a few days to visit family and will be in touch when I return.
Regards
Kathleen
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HI
The Andrew Cunninghams you speak of.....did they emmigrate to Australia?
If so they are my GGGGrandfathers :D
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Hello there.
Thanks for your posting. I don't think Andrew, James' father went to Australia, however I can't be sure as I don't have his death certificate. My mother Lindsay, daughter of Agnes, who was James and Susan Cunningham's daughter, talked of one of her uncles just going down to the docks at Glasgow and getting on a ship, to where I am not sure. He apparantly returned to persuade some other members of the family to join him. That's all I know for the time being, I will look for his death the next time I am searching Scotland's people. Hope this is of some help. Do you have any further information connected to Scotland.
Regards
Kathleen
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Hi Kathleen
None of our Andrews married an Agnes's
the first Andrew (that we know of) was born in County Tyrone, Ireland 1803, HIS son Andrew Was born in Montrose, Angus, Scotland 1831
The father came out with all his children barr Andrew, who stayed to help his uncle and aunt, he finally came out to Aus when he was 18
On my fathers mothers side as far as I know she was born in Perth, scotland and came out here in 1912 or thereabouts
with her father William Alexander Esson
We have quite a few "family names" that we simply don't know where they came from argh!
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Hello again
It is frustrating when you can't get a lead isn't it. My Andrew is shown as being born in Ireland on the 1851 census, so you never know, could be a VERY distant relation.
Good luck with your searching.
Regards
Kathleen
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thanks Kathleen
I have another relative or two (one is in Scotland) who's doing the main lot of research :D
but they are from different brothers and sisters, about 3-4 generations ago, so my side is a bit "lost"shall we say ;D
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I found this thread interesting as my wife has Cunninghams in her tree..... eventually
1852 Miles Connachin born Ireland married in Airdrie.
1st daughter is recorded as Mary Ann Cunachin
2nd daughter is Sarah Cunningham
Thereafter all members of the family are Cunninghams and all the above death records are Cunningham
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Hello from New Zealand
Yes, it is interesting to see the different spellings of Cunningham. I am stuck now with the Irish connection, and don't seem to be able to find out where in Ireland my Cunninghams came from.
Regards
Kathleen
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Part of this family tree is included on this website:
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~howiefamily/276/72.htm
My connection is to Andrew Cunningham s/o James Cunningham, lithographic printer, and Susan Anderson.
In 1900 Andrew Cunningham, a joiner, aged 24 married Esther Park REID aged 25 at the Masonic Hall Alexandra Parade Glasgow (civil regs 644/03 0577).
Esther Park REID was born 1875/6 at Glasgow (1891 Census 644/03 078/03 003) daughter of Samuel REID, a furnaceman at the Tharsis Sulphur and Copper Works in Garngad, and Margaret YOUNG.
I have not traced any descendants of Andrew CUNNINGHAM.
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Hello Nick
Thanks for your post.
James Cunningham's parents were Andrew Cunningham and Agnes Brash.
James married Susan Anderson and their daughter Agnes Bell Cunningham was my grandmother. I always wondered where the Bell surname came from. It turns out that James' sister Agnes married Thomas Bell son of John Bell and Margaret Brash, so I think that Margaret and Agnes Brash were sisters, so I have cousins marrying, they were the branch of the family who went to America. Thomas Bell died 1905 Mt Pleasant, Sanpete, Utah. Agnes died 1905 Colorado Springs.
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During WW1, Andrew Cunningham and his wife Esther resided at 49 Fisher Street, Dennistoun, Glasgow. A frequent lodger there was Esther's nephew Pte Samuel REID of 10/11th Highland Light Infantry who sadly was killed in April 1917 at the battle of Arras, France:
www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=41014
I have a few letters which Samuel wrote from 49 Fisher Street to his father Robert Reid, a chemist at copper mines in Tharsis Spain. A letter dated 8 October 1916 refers to uncle Andy (I assume Andrew Cunningham) who sought exemption from National Service and lodged appeals to various tribunals. I do not know if Andy was successful as there was no further news from Samuel.
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In 1881 the family of James Cunningham and Susan Anderson lived at 112 Abercromby St Glasgow.
James CUNNINGHAM was 26 a lithographic printer b. Coatbridge LKS
Susan CUNNINGHAM was 25 b. Kilwinning AYR
Andrew CUNNINGHAM was 4 b. Glasgow LKS
David CUNNINGHAM was 2 b. Glasgow LKS
Jane CUNNINGHAM, an elder sister of Andrew and David must have died an infant as she does not appear with the family in the 1881 census.
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Hello again
My Agnes Bell Cunningham shows up on the 1891 census living with her parents James and Susan, she is 8 yrs old.
On the 1841 census I have Joseph Cunningham, 35, living with his wife Agnes, 30 and the following children:
Jane 15 Ireland
Andrew 14 Ireland Founder Apprentice
James 13 Ireland Founder Apprentice
Samuel 11 Ireland
John 4 Lanarkshire
Margaret 7 Lanarkshire
Joseph 3 Lanarkshire
Agnes 1 Lanarkshire
Regards
Kathleen
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Cunningham is a prolific name in Ireland so clues as to where in Ireland your Cunninghams came from will be found in records kept in Glasgow. Fortunately you have six born in Ireland in the 1841 census (assuming the parents were as well), so if you can trace each of them in subsequent census returns, one of them may have recorded the County of their birth. I was fortunate that the father of Esther Park Reid recorded his birthplace as County Derry in one of the census returns, rather than just Ireland, so you may get lucky!
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Hello again.
Yes, I feel it may take a while and as you say a bit of luck, more to be going on with.
Regards
Kathleen
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Hello again Nick
This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but do you have any information regarding James Cunningham's death. I have searched Scotland's People but get no joy.
Regards
kathleen
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Just had a quick look at Scotlandspeople for death of James Cunningham 1903-1952 birth year 1854 +/- 2 years and there are 30 of whom 8 died within Glasgow City as a whole.
I suggest you look at his address in the 1901 census then check Valuation Rolls 1913/4 to see if he was at the same address. Just enter the road and or district here:
http://theglasgowstory.com/valsearch.php
If he was still living in 1913 that will narrow the 8 to fewer.
Andrew Cunningham and Esther Park Cunningham (nee Reid) were living at 49 Fisher Street Dennistoun during WW1, but I have not checked the Valuation Rolls 1913/4. Maybe James was living nearby.
Best I can suggest.
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Hello Nick
Thank you very much for that, I must have been searching over too long a time span or something. I thought it was strange that I couldn't find anything.
I didn't know about the valuation roll at all so that is a new source for me.
Regards
Kathleen
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Hi all, I see in this thread asking about Andrew Cunningham going to Australia. Andrew Cunningham born in Montrose scottland in 1831, he was the son of Andrew Cunningham born in 1803 in Tyrone, Ireland. This is my heritage and I can help with the life after arrival here in Australia, if anyone likes. I'd like information on his father's and my connections to Ireland as I've only got information back to this point. Regards Mick Cunningham, Australia.