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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: noelwcamogie on Wednesday 18 March 26 00:02 GMT (UK)
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Hi, looking for some help.. I've been trying to find a marriage record for a George evitt born in the 1830s in new ross Co. Wexford.. Married a Margaret Kavanagh.. I say 1830s because he was a sailor and on an application to have competency cert reissued. He gives his birth as 1933 new ross Co. Wexford.. I cá. Find his children born in New Ross and also his second marriage around 1890 also in new ross.. But I just can't find the marriage record or birth cert.. Would greatly appreciate any suggestions..
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George Evitt marriage to Mary Kirwan, 1889
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10744/5918053.pdf (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10744/5918053.pdf)
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Marriage of Margaret Evitt, daughter of George, to Edward Whitty, 1881
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11021/8030113.pdf (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11021/8030113.pdf)
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Death of Mary Evitt, age 30, sailor's wife, 1891.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06069/4730618.pdf (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06069/4730618.pdf)
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Margaret Evitt born 1864, parents George and Margaret Kavanagh
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1864/03613/2333435.pdf (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1864/03613/2333435.pdf)
Bridget born 1867,
Mary 1869.
James 1871
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Thanks.. The marriage to Mary Kirwan was his 2nd. Marriage in 1890. Their daughter Mary was born thereafter and her mother Mary died in 1891.. The marriage of George's other daughter Margaret to Edward Whitty is his daughter from the first marriage.. And is my great grandmother.. It's that first marriage of Margaret's parents George evitt to Margaret Kavanagh.. I can't find
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From first marriage there was also a son James and Mary (who died young).. James ended up in Liverpool as a cooper..
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Thanks.. The marriage to Mary Kirwan was his 2nd. Marriage in 1890. Their daughter Mary was born thereafter and her mother Mary died in 1891.. The marriage of George's other daughter Margaret to Edward Whitty is his daughter from the first marriage.. And is my great grandmother.. It's that first marriage of Margaret's parents George evitt to Margaret Kavanagh.. I can't find
I understand, but not sure if you have the actual registrations. Also in cases like this want to see how name has been transcribed and original spelling. I already see that there is an Evatt transcription variation (not sure if it is on original).
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From first marriage there was also a son James and Mary (who died young).. James ended up in Liverpool as a cooper..
Yes, listed in reply #4
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Daughter Margaret Evitt born March 1864
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1864/03613/2333435.pdf
This would suggest George and Margaret married before civil registration.
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Thanks a million.. I do apperiate the replies.. Yes I have seen the birth certs of the children from the first marriage.. And have tracked them all.. It's just the actual the first marriage detials I can't find. Lol.. But will keep trying..
Thanks again.. Your very good to take the time to look and reply. It's the final missing pieces.. George first marriage details and his birth.. As you may know New Ross is right in the border with Co. Kilkenny so I did try to see if the marriage was registered in kilkenny or waterford... But no joy there.. So far at least
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I did try to see if the marriage was registered in kilkenny or waterford... But no joy there.. So far at least
Registration started in 1864. (see my earlier post)
Therefore you will not find a registration (RC) before then
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OK, so no joy so far. Possibilities:
1) New Ross extends across the river (not much, but a little). The Kilkenny side is not in the parish of New Ross, but Rosbercon. There is a gap in the Rosbercon registers around 1833.
2). Mistranscriptions. I have seen some bad ones already. Ebitt, etc.
3).Different variant of the name. Examples McKevitt, Kevitt, McEvatt, etc.
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Cheers.. Yes the registrations were 1864 onwards.. I might try the actually records in the church.. As I live close to new ross.. Rosbercon is just across the bridge, which is where maragert whitty (née Evitt) father was from.. Anyway thanks again.. Will drive on..
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The lack of a marriage record around 1861-63 is more perplexing.
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New Ross - Marriages from Feb 1859
Not sure if you have searched here for a marriage
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634104?locale=en#page/1/mode/1up
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Here is another perplexing non-result. I don't see any Evitt/Evatt families at all in Griffith's Valuation, in counties Wexford and Kilkenny. None, as in zero. Makes me wonder if the family was really from there.
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George "Evit" married Margaret Kavanagh in New Ross, 7/Oct/1856.
[From RootsIreland transcript. They have New Ross Marriages back to 1700s]
Considerably earlier than I had earlier searched and assumed.
Probably "missing" children in 1857-1863 period.
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Death of George Evitt in 1903. Reported age of 62, giving an estimated year of birth of ca.1841, which almost has to be incorrect as he married in 1856.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05668/4596518.pdf (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05668/4596518.pdf)
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In 1867 George reported his age as 28, from New Ross, on a crew list, giving an estimated year of birth of ca. 1839
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/cl/details.jsp?id=IRE/CREWLISTS/00009905 (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/cl/details.jsp?id=IRE/CREWLISTS/00009905)
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Is this the death of your George Evitt/Evatt?
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05668/4596518.pdf
Died according this aged 62 in 1903. But noting that this is not a self filled out form! So born around 1841 so perhaps the dates we are looking for need to be expanded out a little to the 1840s as well. The marriage certifcate in June 1889 for his marriage to Mary Kirwan he names his father as John, a coachman and he states his age as 49 so born 1839/40. Also on this form there is a word under the word 'Widower' that looks like Bralston/Ralston. It looks as though it is crossed out?
Are you able to let us have the names of the children in date order please. Some times this might give clues as to possible other family members whose trees/certificates may be more complete.
So far
Margaret 1864
Bridget born 1867
Mary 1869.
James 1871
I have Irish mariners in one of my trees and my experience is that the further away from home they are the vaguer the birth details are, which is logical....why say Shanreagh or Limavady when Londonderry or Ireland is the nearest place that people may have heard of.
He does however give the name High Hill in Margaret's birth certificate. This may be his base with wife and children living there.
https://www.facebook.com/CapuchinArchivesIreland/posts/high-hill-new-ross-county-wexford-1955a-view-of-the-granite-steps-leading-up-fro/3937752802982149/
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Here is another perplexing non-result. I don't see any Evitt/Evatt families at all in Griffith's Valuation, in counties Wexford and Kilkenny. None, as in zero. Makes me wonder if the family was really from there.
Yes I wondered that as well having done the same search. Maybe the wives were from Wexford/Kilkenny and stayed close to their own families while George was away at sea.
The word Bralston/Ralston that I mentioned above intrigued me as Ralston is 'a big name', as they say here in NZ, in Antrim/Londonderry
ETA I am wondering if the surname was sometimes recorded as Everett/Evaritt etc.
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Also on this form there is a word under the word 'Widower' that looks like Bralston/Ralston. It looks as though it is crossed out?
I aam afraid you are misreading. The crossed out word is "bachelor'
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Thanks.. The marriage to Mary Kirwan was his 2nd. Marriage in 1890.
As Wexflyer has pointed out in reply #1, the marriage was on 22 June 1889.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10744/5918053.pdf
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George "Evit" married Margaret Kavanagh in New Ross, 7/Oct/1856.
Well done Wexflyer
So George's birth in 1833 (as seen on his seaman's MATES certificate, and crew lists) would seem most likely.
His second wife was quite a lot younger, So George adjusted his age accordingly.
His address on that certificate is High Hill, New Ross, which is where daughter Margaret was born in 1864.
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So where are George and family on 1901 census?