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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Adnepos_Iacobi on Wednesday 04 March 26 17:34 GMT (UK)
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I've been researching the Kyrkes of Chapel-en-le-Frith including those that moved away. I have chanced upon the Kyrke-Smiths of West Derby going back to Henry Kyrke SMITH b 1851. He was the youngest of the children of Edward SMITH and his wife Sarah MAY. I do have tentative ancestry of this couple but neither this ancestry nor exploration of neighbours and other possibilities has uncovered the reason for the Kyrke moniker. Do you have any ideas?
This topic has been previously, incompletely covered in the Kyrkes at Gwersyllt topic in the Denbighshire section.
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Sarah Mays mothers maiden name perhaps
Do you have Henry’s birth certificate with Sarah as his mother?
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Wrong info - reply removed
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Henry’s birth was registered March qtr 1852 - mmn May
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It had been a while since I looked at this wall. On checking, I have Henry's christening -b 29 Oct 1851, chr 4 Feb 1852 at Liverpool All Saints. I had assumed I had the birth certificate but I don't. I had attributed a marriage that on closer inspection looks suspect.
The scales have fallen from my eyes, a birth cerificate is needed!
Thank you for putting me on the right lines.
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The family seem to like to use surnames as middle names:
All Smith
1844 Sarah May
1845 Kate Somers
1849 Anna Cozens
1851 Henry Kyrke
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Another birth with middle name
Son Thomas May Smith b 1839, Wirral
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The middle name may not have any actual biological relevance within the family history.
I have 2 females in my paternal FH who were given surnames as middle names & research shows those names had no connection so were probably just good friends or neighbours of my Gt Grandparents.
My late brother was given the surname Gilchrist as a middle name which turned out to be the surname of our grandfathers sisters husband
From Heywoods reply - you will see Sarah was given her mothers maiden name as a second name
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The 1841 has a 6yr old Edmund Kyrke living in Toxteth
Ancestry show his birthplace as Denbighshire & parents as Richard Venables Kyrke & Jane Frances Horesman. An Amelia Horseman is shown on the 1841 entry
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Edmund's parents moved around a lot but settled in Hoylake, Wirral in the mid 1860s. The only link I can find with the Kyrke-Smith ancestry is a tentative one through the famous Roe family but have discounted that because Edward SMITh and his wife didn't give any of their children a Roe moniker.
Endmund appears to have gone to sea and I can't find any link to the Kyrke-Smith ancestors other than a vague co-location (Liverpool).
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Edward Smith married Sarah May 18 September 1831 St David Liverpool by license
Edward was of Aber Carnarvon
Witness Charles Roe Smith and Susannah Lewis
1841 Census Beau Street, Liverpool
Edward Smith 30 Brewer N
Sarah Smith 30 Y
Mary Smith 4 y
Thomas Smith 2 N
Edward Smith 4 months Y reg. 1841 Liverpool as Edward Charles Smith mother's maiden name MAY
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1832-1836 Possible children not yet found
Mary Smith born circa 1836 Lancashire
Thomas May Smith 1839 reg. Wirral
Edward Charles Smith 1841 Liverpool
The following found on Lancashire Parish Records online. Father Edward Smith - Brewer.
Elizabeth Frances Smith bap 29 March 1843 of Beau Street St Peter Liverpool
Sarah May Smith bap 24 April 1844 of Beau Street
Kate Somers Smith bap. 4 July 1845 of Everton Crescent
Frances Smith bap 26 June 1846 of Everton Street
Emma Smith bap. 9 August 1847 of Everton Street
Ann Cozens Smith bap 1 November 1849 of Everton Street.
Henry Kyrke Smith bap 4 February 1852 Born 29 November 1851 of 21 Devon Street.
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Not the one you are looking for.
Sarah May was the daughter of Thomas May and Sarah bap 25 December 1809 St James Toxeth Park -born 26 October. Father Excise Officer
Thomas May married Sarah Cozens 27 October 1808 St George Hanover Square with Mary Cozens and George Cozens.