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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Somerset => England => Somerset Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Jason Jase on Monday 02 March 26 16:25 GMT (UK)
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I was wondering if anyone can help me push her family line back a generation
Her Family search number is GD8X-ZJC (so I don't have to rewrite all the known info of her)
myself and others had no luck figuring out much if anything about her or where she came from. Proving things has also been a bit difficult.
I would like to at least figure out her parents and siblings
thanks
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Presumably you are referring to Ann Bishop who married John Forrt in Bath on 5th November 1789 :-
What information do you have on her after the marriage - children - her burial
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All the info is posted on family search I have a established family tree of her son William Fortt Down A historian did extensive research a museum show and book on William Fortt in 2013 and his business children etc.
Ancestry has Ann Bishop's marriage Bann's and baptisms of her and John Fortt's Children but that is about it.
I cited the sources, where possible on Family search under "Reason This Information Is Correct" below the facts stated
Sources attached to her are after her marriage to John Fortt. All Images are not available to be viewed though just a summery transcript.
I am looking for her parents and sibling not any more information on her children at the moment.
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I think this is her on find a grave
Her Banns is posted there state she is from St Michael in the city of Bath
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/223072984/ann-fortt?_gl=1*v5w9rc*_gcl_au*NzcxNDQwODY1LjE3Njc0OTA0NTA.*_ga*MTY1NDY4Njc4My4xNzU5NjgxNDIz*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*czEwMDBjN2M4LTljYWYtNDY5Ny1hNjQ5LWQ2OTE5NzFkMGM3MCRvMjMxJGcxJHQxNzcyNDcwMDYwJGo1OCRsMCRoMA..*_ga_QPQNV9XG1B*czEwMDBjN2M4LTljYWYtNDY5Ny1hNjQ5LWQ2OTE5NzFkMGM3MCRvNzg3JGcxJHQxNzcyNDcwMDYwJGo0NCRsMCRoMA..
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I realise that you have given a link but it is really up to you to give some basic information, you have given no details of dates or where she married or when and where the family lived :-\
Personally I have no idea how to search a tree on familysearch and I suspect that some others who could help you on here would not know either. It could help if you posted a link.
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Family Search
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/GD8X-ZJC
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Bath death index reference WL1/6/439
Died 1847 at the age of 80
sub district
Walcot - first series
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Her and her husband should be alive in 1841 but I haven't found the census
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I looked at her parents being John Bishop and Martha Harvest a few years back but that didn't pan out. I didn't write a note to myself explaining why.
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On your FS tree you show that she was born in Bath in 1767.
What makes you think that ?
Have you discounted with good reason the other 12 or so Ann Bishops born in Somerset around 1765?
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Her and her husband should be alive in 1841 but I haven't found the census
I see that John was 88 in 1842 when he died. Do you have their death certificates as they could give an address
Sorry I should have said thank you for the FS link ;D
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I think this is her on find a grave
Her Banns is posted there state she is from St Michael in the city of Bath
That findagrave record is a bit of a mess - the burial linked to it is an infant. The place given on the banns would be where she was resident in the period prior to the marriage, not necessarily her place of birth or where she was brought up.
There is an 80 year old John Fortt in Odd Down in 1841 but no wife, just a 25 year old Ann Fortt
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I wonder if that burial record does link to the death age 80 but the clergy wrote down the wrong age. The 2 entries above are also for infants age 6 weeks
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There's a burial of a John Fortt at Walcot Methodist Church, 1 October 1842
Age 85
https://www.batharchives.co.uk/cemeteries/walcot-methodist-church/john-fortt-0
Ann is not in the grave
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There is an 80 year old John Fortt in Odd Down in 1841 but no wife, just a 25 year old Ann Fortt
Is there only that one death in 1842 of such an elderly John Fortt?
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only one registered Bath on the GRO index. Age at death given as 88. No possible Forts either in Bath or elsewhere.
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Thanks osprey, so it could be the same John.
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Thank you for that link to Bath area burial places John, I am impressed by the area & dates it covers.
I am hoping that Jason has the death certificate for Ann :)
The other burials in that plot for John
John died 1840 age 5
Mary Ann died 1831 age 2
They appear to be the children of William (a Confectioner) and Mary so part of OP's family. They are in Milsom Street on Johns baptism and later census at No 5 (Part of the Waterstones shop now assuming the numbers have not changed ;D )
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Do we know who the Ann Fortt is age 82 that was buried in Limpley Stoke in 1841 :-\
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I think this is her on find a grave
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/223072984/ann-fortt
That findagrave record is a bit of a mess - the burial linked to it is an infant.
I wonder if that burial record does link to the death age 80 but the clergy wrote down the wrong age. The 2 entries above are also for infants age 6 weeks
There might be birth registrations in Bath for the other two in 1847, but not for an Ann Fortt.
Abode is Lyndhurst Terrace
John and Sarah Fortt and family are living in Lyndhurst Terrace in the 1851 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5accf91cf4040b6d517ce31c/john-fortt-1851-somerset-bath-1795-?locale=en
John age 56, and quite likely is son of John and Ann, Sarah seems to be be a second wife.
Best to get the death certificate for Ann, see who she was, an instant digital image from the GRO costs just £3
FORT, ANN
Age at Death (in years): 80
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in BATH Volume 11 Page 34
Perhaps then Jason can report back with the info.
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You can also get Bath BMD info from https://www.bathbmd.org.uk/deathsearch.php
(Complied from the local register rather than the copies sent to London, so with one less chance of a copying error.)
It shows Ann Fortt registered in the Abbey sub-district in 1847, aged 80.
John Fortt in Lansdown subdistrict in 1842, aged 88.
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I think the OP has had
<<no luck figuring out much if anything about her [Ann Fortt ] or where she came from. .....
I would like to at least figure out her parents and siblings>>
Seems to know the couple's children and deaths - it's prior to their marriage in 1789 that Jason Jase is looking for help, when records were only in parish registers. Let's hope he comes back ....
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Finding the right Ann Bishop is the biggest problem.
But there is still the 1841 census puzzle. We have a possible John Fortt, but the Ann with him is 25
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a1563cdf4040b9d6e79bd76/john-fortt-1841-somerset-bath-forum-1761-?locale=en
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Bath Chronicle 17th February 1842 mentions the theft of a door from a property in Odd Down that belongs to Mr Fortt of Milsom Street ;D
What surprises me is that there is no mention in the Bath papers of John or Ann's death or wills for them
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Maybe that is Ann at Odd Down and the enumerator mis read her age. It does say N for bn in County :)
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<<Maybe that is Ann at Odd Down and the enumerator mis read her age. It does say N for bn in County>>
If we could decide that, we'd be on the way to sorting her out !!
In 1841 I believe ages were rounded down?
IF she died in 1847 at the age of 80, that means she was probably born 1767 as OP has said - but lots of people didn't know their exact age back then.
In 1841 she'd have been 74 or 75 depending on the date of her birthday and the date of the census (I can't remember that) .
I wonder if the enumerator wrote a 2 instead of a 7 ?? Though his 7s are rather different....probably wishful thinking
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I was only doubting the entry as I had a similar problem with one of my trees yesterday - census gives an age of 85 which would tie in with a baptism I have -burial/death the same year says 94 ;D
I know it is the correct person, her husband died 2 years earlier at the same address and his age was 85 - I don't have his baptism/birth. This was in 1841 and their last child was bn 1805 ::)
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Decided to look at the naming pattern for John and Ann's children - why did they call their first son William and first daughter Harriet? I wondered whether they might be Ann's parents...
And why was no son called Joseph (since the OP has him as John's father married to an Elizabeth on the FS tree)? Perhaps they fell out !
After the three daughters Harriet, Elizabeth and Honour came a son Thomas, so perhaps he was Ann's father ! But there are lots of Thomas Bishops to look at!
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There's another thread (perhaps not a surprise!)
Topic: clarification on the siblings
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=883733.0
First known child of John Fortt and Ann Bishop may be James, baptised 9 Dec 1792 (who is not on Jason's FS tree?)
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/684ffb95865574058a28f649
Did he marry Margaret Blackmore in 1825?
A burial of James Forte at Walcot Methodist Church, 25 March 1832.
Age 39
https://www.batharchives.co.uk/cemeteries/walcot-methodist-church/james-forte