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Can anyone help me find out where William Brignall was between 1861 and 1891.
William Brignall born Loftus Yorkshire about 1836
Baptised 18th Dec 1936 Loftus
Parents Thomas Brignall 186 - 1882 and Jane Agar 1811 - 1901
1851 Aged 14 William was working in the mines as an Alum Labourer along side his father. In 1861, aged 24 william had left home and was lodging with John and Bessy Cook in Bilsdale Kirkham, working as a Miner.
In 1891 William was married to Jane and living in Arthur Fields Loftus, with 2 grandchildren Ethel M Duck and William George Duck.
In 1901 William and Jane were living with three grandchildren William, Arthur, Ernest Duck. Note Arthur was born in Bolton, not Loftus like his siblings.
I can not trace a marriage record for him and Jane, nor 1871 and 1881 census records.
His daughter Mary Jane Brignall 1863 - 1923 did not show her father's name on her (1882) wedding record to omas Duck) - but her mother's - Mary Jane Brignall, suggesting they were very much estranged - however he was looking after her children when she was widowed.
Can you help me find William in this 20 year period? Many thanks for any help.
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In 1881 he is transcribed as Bugnall living in Lofthouse
William 44 occ Ironstone miner bn Loftus
Jane 47 bn Loftus
Hannah E Daughter 18 bn Loftus
Mary J Daughter 17 bn Robin Hood Bay
RG11
Piece 4838
Folio 62
Page 53
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Arthurs birth reg
DUCK, ARTHUR TYERMAN mmn BRIGNALL
GRO Reference: 1892 June Quarter
BOLTON reg dist
Volume 08C Page 448
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Grandson William George birth reg 1882 shows mmn as Bignall - not Brignall
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Mary Jane Brignall married Thomas Duck 1882 - see freebmd
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Is this them as Agar in 1871
William Agar 36 occ Iron stone miner bn Lofthouse
Jane Agar 37 bn Lofthouse
Hannah E Agar Daughter 8 bn Lofthouse
Mary J Agar Daughter 6 bn Whitby
Fanny Agar Daughter 4 bn Whitby
RG10
Piece 4851
Folio 26
Page 46
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In 1881 he is transcribed as Bugnall living in Lofthouse
William 44 occ Ironstone miner bn Loftus
Jane 47 bn Loftus
Hannah E Daughter 18 bn Loftus
Mary J Daughter 17 bn Robin Hood Bay
RG11
Piece 4838
Folio 62
Page 53
thank you so very much for this information - I have corrected the spelling on Ancestry. This is a great find. Thank you for taking the time to search for this
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FreeBMD - imagine written as heard or a transcription error
William Breadnall married Jane Brown reg Guisborough 1852, June quarter vol 9d page 646
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Re 1871 Census
William Agar 24 married Jane Wood age 26 on 18 May 1861 Stokesley - image on ancestry
He does not list a father, her father is George Wood
GRO Index
Mary Jane Agar reg. Whitby 1864 mother's maiden name WOOD
Fanny Agar reg 1867 Whitby mother's maiden name WOOD - dies 1873 age 5
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Hannah Eliza Agar reg Guisborough 1861 mother's maiden name WOOD
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ThanksYou - however the Agar's are the maternal side of the family - and not the william I am trying to trace which is William Brignall born Loftus Yorkshire about 1836. Thanks to Rosie99 for finding him in 1881 - I had wondered if he had been in prison - with his daughter Mary Jane Brignall 1863 - 1923 not showing her father's name on her (1882) wedding record to Thomas Duck) - but her mother's - Mary Jane Brignall, suggesting they were very much estranged. I have never seen a mother named on a marriage record like that before. Im still trying to trace his marriage to a Jane / Mary Jane and in 1871. Thanks very much for your help so far
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True, but it is odd the children's names and ages are the same in 1871 and 1881.
Could he have used his mother's maiden name in 1871?
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William was baptised 18th December 1836 - his parents Thomas Brignall & Jane Agar. Thomas & Jane did not marry until 1837 so he was the illegitimate son of Jane Agar
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1881 Census
His daughter Hannah E (Eliza) is 18 [born 1861] Mary Jane is 17 [born 1864]
Fanny born 1867 has died 1873.
The witness at the marriage to Thomas Duck 11 March 1882 is Annie Eliza Brignall her sister Hannah Eliza who went by the name Annie.
So the parents marriage would be circa 1861 - William Agar to Jane Wood. _He was illegitimate
**William Brignall who died 28 June 1909 left a will, he was of 32 Tees Street, Loftus, Yorkshire. Executors are George Brignall, Mines Deputy and William George Duck, grocer's assistant.
Ref: Probate Index
Perhaps the will can provide further clues.
His wife Jane had died 1904.
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1881 Census
His daughter Hannah E (Eliza) is 18 [born 1861] Mary Jane is 17 [born 1864]
Fanny born 1867 has died 1873.
The witness at the marriage to Thomas Duck 11 March 1882 is Annie Eliza Brignall her sister Hannah Eliza who went by the name Annie.
So the parents marriage would be circa 1861 - William Agar to Jane Wood. _He was illegitimate
**William Brignall who died 28 June 1909 left a will, he was of 32 Tees Street, Loftus, Yorkshire. Executors are George Brignall, Mines Deputy and William George Duck, grocer's assistant.
Ref: Probate Index
Perhaps the will can provide further clues.
His wife Jane had died 1904.
This makes total sense now - i knew he was illegitimate but never thought he would have used is mothers name - thank you very much - this is so helpful and really helps me understand. I very much appreciate your time on this.