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Alfred Mason b. 1863 Bishopsgate, London.
Father Thomas Mason (tailor)
Mother Dorothea Mason (nee Taylor).
In 1881 census Alfred is living with his widowed mother and siblings Jessie and Thomas in Bishopsgate. His occupation is blacksmith.
In 1891 he is still in Bishopsgate, now married to Mary. His occupation is now porter. (confusingly there is another Alfred Mason on 1891 census, b. 1862 Bethnal Green, living in Camberwell, wife also Mary, and his occupation is a journeyman smith. However, he is recorded in 1881 to parents John and Sarah).
I can't find the record of marriage for Alfred Mason (b. 1862 Bishopsgate) and Mary (maiden name unknown). It should be between 1881 and 1891. Can anyone help?
Many thanks.
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Are they at 1891 265/131
With children Jessie, Fannie and Primrose?
GRO shows mmn Driscoll. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
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There is a marriage 1883 in Whitechapel where both those names are on the same page.
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The marriage record shows her father as Patrick Driscoll, a labourer.
Her residence possibly, 37, Lamb Street
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A top tip for the future to find a wife/mother maiden name, as heywood has shown above, is to look up the children’s birth registrations.
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The marriage record shows her father as Patrick Driscoll, a labourer.
Her residence possibly, 37, Lamb Street
Maybe this family (1881 census)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK6T-Q9TM?lang=en
1871 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDR-FHB?lang=en
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Many thanks to heywood and Neale 1961 for this help.
The Alfred Mason and Mary I had in 1891 was 235/161, which records wife Mary but no children, which was why I couldn't search for birth registrations. However, your finding 1891 235/161 (which for some strange reason doesn't come up on any of my searches: can anyone help with a link to it?) looks more convincing, especially with Mary being a tailoress (Alfred's father is a tailor and his mother is a tailoress). She could well have been working with the family.
Many thanks again for your help with this.
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Higpoidius, you have the correct page in 1891, if you subscribe to either Ancestry or FindMyPast then just scroll to the next page and the 3 children are at the top.
SS
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https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record/browse?id=gbc%2f1891%2f0235%2f0322
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/6598/images/LNDRG12_234_236-0484?rc=&queryId=517d9574-b82f-4ba5-b2ce-9a3be701ee1d&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Udx24672&_phstart=successSource&pId=9365326
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On ancestry the 1891 is transcribed as
Jefred Masone
Mary Masone
The children are correctly under Mason
Have submitted a correction
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Thank you softly, softly and Milliepede, that makes sense now!!
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You have the correct 1891 census that you mention in your opening post. There is a page turn after Mary, and the three children are on the next page.
Jessie 6, Fannie 1, and Primrose 1 month.
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Info only, births re 1891 census
MASON, JESSIE MARGARET DRISCOLL
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in LONDON CITY Volume 01C Page 4 Jessie
MASON, MARY DRISCOLL
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in LONDON CITY Volume 01C Page 5 Possible daughter
MASON, FRANCES MARGARET DRISCOLL
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in LONDON CITY Volume 01C Page 3 Fannie
MASON, MARGARET PRIMROSE DRISCOLL
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in LONDON CITY Volume 01C Page 2 Primrose
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Thank you softly softly for more info.
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Do you have the family post 1891 census and where?
SS
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softly, softly: no, just looking into the family post 1891. The only info I have so far is Primrose dying in Lewisham in 1923.
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The Primrose who died in 1923 was Primrose nee' Wright as per her daughters birth in 1918 and appears with parents in 1921 census.
Births Sep 1918
Mason Stella M MMN Wright Greenwich 1d 1354
SS
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Perhaps they all emigrated?
Can we find any other children’s births post 1891?
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I cant find parents or children post 1891--YET
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You go out for the afternoon and evening, come home, look at emails and think cant offer anymore,
Well done everyone :)
SS
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I obviously had that Primrose wrong!
Still no trace of any of them post 1891.
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Where do they fit in your own family history.
SS
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Long shot but there’s a Miss P Mason 24 travelling with a Miss Mason 27 (no initial to check with a sister unfortunately)
to Sydney Australia on 25 June 1914. No occupations listed for either. Ship name Malwa.
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Who is Mary Driscoll/Mason? Trying to look back at her family but guess we don’t have the full marriage details to confirm her background :-\
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Who is Mary Driscoll/Mason? Trying to look back at her family but guess we don’t have the full marriage details to confirm her background :-\
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The marriage record shows her father as Patrick Driscoll, a labourer.
Her residence possibly, 37, Lamb Street
I previously wrote - Whitechapel 1883
The marriage was at Christ Church, Spitalfields
Witnesses - Warren ? And Jessie Clarkson
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In 1891 235/161 (already posted)
The Masons are living at 15A Rose Alley with several families.
Margaret Driscoll, widow,70 yrs is also there with son, Timothy, and daughter, Helen.
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I think they may have emigrated very soon after the 1891 census
Primrose Mason aged 0 died July 1891 Chicago - born England
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M3-5F6W?lang=en
Jessie Mason b England 1884 is an employee in Chicago in 1900
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSQH-HTM?lang=en
Alfred and Mary (maiden name recorded as Driscoll) in Chicago in 1900
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7H9-B8S?lang=en
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:) Well done, Mabel.
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Birth of Ellen - daughter listed on the 1900 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NQYT-TP8?lang=en
Right mother's maiden name. Both parents born London c1862
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There appears to be a son Fred/Frederick/Alfred b c1888
I can find US records for him, with parents Alfred Mason and Mary Driscoll. In 1910 he is with Jessie and her husband Harry Jensen
Not sure about UK records though
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Alfred Mason
Death Date 4 Feb. 1902
Death Place Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date 6 Feb. 1902
Cemetery Name Graceland
Birth Place England
Death Age 41
Occupation Blacksmith
Marital Status Widowed
Mary Mason
Death Date 21 Aug. 1895
Death Place Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery Name Forest Home
Birth Place England
Death Age 34
Occupation Housework
Marital Status Married
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Possibility for Frances/Fanny in 1910 - I can’t see her though in 1900
Foster daughter with William and Emma Smelzer
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKCR-RZP?lang=en
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Immigration -1891 - ship Friesland
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u91/
Alf Mason 28 yrs
Mary 28 yrs
Jessie 4 yrs
Thos 3 yrs
Fanny 1 yr
Mary 1 yr
Thomas maybe Fred mentioned previously
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There is a birth in 1888, London City
Thomas Patrick Mason mmn Driscole
Maybe ….
1891 203/112 - Hackney hospital
Thomas Mason 2 yrs - birthplace ‘not known - brought from City of London’
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There is a birth in 1888, London City
Thomas Patrick Mason mmn Driscole
Maybe ….
1891 203/112 - Hackney hospital
Thomas Mason 2 yrs - birthplace ‘not known - brought from City of London’
Maybe change of names at some time?
Death for Fred Alfred Mason (note names of parents)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MF-8F4L?lang=en
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Yes, I thought that too and ‘Mary’ aged 1 year presumably was Primrose Margaret.
With the death of Primrose found by Mabel, that would then account for all the children.
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You go out for the afternoon and evening, come home, look at emails and think cant offer anymore,
Well done everyone :)
SS
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Like softly, softly I went out for the day yesterday and come back online to find all this information. I can only say Wow! Thank you all SO much for your time and knowledge in tracking down the Mason family. Just fantastic!
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Yes really well done for finding out so much. I was going totally in the wrong direction so bravo!
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It’s good to (hopefully) solve a puzzle. We all enjoy it, don’t we!
Great find to start with from Mabel.
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There is a birth in 1888, London City
Thomas Patrick Mason mmn Driscole
Maybe ….
1891 203/112 - Hackney hospital
Thomas Mason 2 yrs - birthplace ‘not known - brought from City of London’
On 1900 he appears to be enumerated as T Frederick Mason, and when he naturalizes he's Thomas Alfred
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He also goes by the surname Doose, according to his naturalisation
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There is a birth in 1888, London City
Thomas Patrick Mason mmn Driscole
Maybe ….
1891 203/112 - Hackney hospital
Thomas Mason 2 yrs - birthplace ‘not known - brought from City of London’
On 1900 he appears to be enumerated as T Frederick Mason, and when he naturalizes he's Thomas Alfred
Here he is in 1910 as T Frederick Mason (not 1900)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKZ1-1RX?lang=en
In reply #23,Mabel, you gave us Fread Mason with Jessie in 1900.
Looking more carefully now, Jessie is a servant and he is a boarder with a ‘Drose’ family - maybe the surname ‘Doose’ you mention.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSQH-HTM?lang=en
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My apologies. It was the 1910 I was looking at. Didn't make the link with the person on 1900 with Jessie when I first posted that link because I'd only just found the Masons in the US and hadn't discovered Fred's existence
The name on the naturalisation card is definitely Doose - it's typewritten.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6T5D-19JQ?lang=en
So I think we're missing 1900 for Alfred, Fanny and possibly Ellen Beatrice, the daughter b 1893
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I think they may have emigrated very soon after the 1891 census
Primrose Mason aged 0 died July 1891 Chicago - born England
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M3-5F6W?lang=en
Jessie Mason b England 1884 is an employee in Chicago in 1900
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSQH-HTM?lang=en
Who is the Male Mason person below Jessie on census?
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MASON, THOMAS PATRICK DRISCOLE
GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in LONDON CITY Volume 01C Page 2
Sorry heywood, see you have already found him!
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Yes I've sussed it now -
My apologies. It was the 1910 I was looking at. Didn't make the link with the person [ie Fred] on 1900 with Jessie when I first posted that link because I'd only just found the Masons in the US and hadn't discovered Fred's existence
The name on the naturalisation card is definitely Doose - it's typewritten.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6T5D-19JQ?lang=en
So I think we're missing 1900 for Alfred, Fanny and possibly Ellen Beatrice, the daughter b 1893