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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: babykate on Monday 23 February 26 16:11 GMT (UK)
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Hi guys
Looking for any help on a Daniel Kelly.
Died 26 April 1876
Married to "Peggy" but no more info
Daughter Mary born 5 Nov 1850
Daughter Ellen born 1 Dec 1852
Daughter Anne born 7 Aug 1855
Would love some help on his wife or parents / siblings if possible.
Thanks
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There were 20 deaths for a Daniel Kelly in 1876, none in Derry. Do you know where and how old he was when he died?
Colin
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Daniel Kelly died 26 April 1878 ..... Draperstown RD. #372
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020515/7199232.pdf
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Possible marriage here -
4th February 1850
Daniel Kelly and Peggy Kelly
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632987?locale=en#page/148/mode/1up
The annotation at the side shows 4th and 4th degrees of consanguinity. From previous discussion on Rootschat, I think the Catholic Church reckoning of such might be different to ‘law’. However, you would need to check that.
I also wish you luck in your searches. If you look at those baptisms, there are some Kelly godparents but, of course, that could be either side.
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Daniel Kelly died Stramore townland (also known as Strawmore)-
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/ballynascreen/bancran-glebe/strawmore/
Note that the informant for his death was a Margaret Kelly of Doon townland which is just to the west-
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/ballynascreen/bancran-glebe/doon/
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I think there are others births /baptisms to be found.
Here is Patrick b 1866 - Stramore
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1866/03512/2291753.pdf
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That's great thanks for your help.
So I think the Marriage and the birth of Patrick make sense to my connection.
My connection is through Mary Kelly born 5 Nov 1850 - on her birth cert it gives fathers name as Daniel and mother as Peggy which I know is short for Margaret so the marriage linked above on 4th Feb 1850 is possibly my connection as is the birth of Patrick.
It is possible that my date of death for Daniel was a typo for the year but if he was 85yrs when he died he'd have been born 1792 which would make him 58yrs when just married and having his first child??
I know the Griffin valuations have 2 Daniels in that area - Daniel Snr and Daniel so maybe the death in 1878 was the senior possibly Daniels father and its just coincidence that they both married Margaret?
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I found this death entry which might be more likely to be my daniel's death
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06030/4717250.pdf
his son Patrick present at birth - but looks like he was a widow so wife Margaret died previously
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...but looks like he was a widow so wife Margaret died previously
Daniel a widower aged 71 yrs.
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I found this death entry which might be more likely to be my daniel's death
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06030/4717250.pdf
his son Patrick present at birth - but looks like he was a widow so wife Margaret died previously
his son Patrick present at death
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There are several Kelly /Kelly marriages that it is all very difficult to track.
I agoing to do two separate posts here for noting.
As you say, Griffiths Valuation shows Daniel and Daniel Kelly snr in Strawmore.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u8w/
Daniel - 1A and1B
Daniel - 6A and 6B
You can track these in Valuation Revision Books http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t1o/
Over the years:
6A is revised to Michael Kelly - then Mary Kelly
6B stays as Daniel snr - then John Kelly
1A - Daniel
1B- Margaret, then Patrick
The years of change are shown in different colours but there are more expert people on here who can interpret these much ether than I can.
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Hi Heywood that's really helpful - I didn't realise you could do that with the valuation records! Appreciate all the help.
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This next piece of information is for you to look at too.
I assume this is connected to a pension application - again there are better informed rootschatters to interpret the record.
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=40996
It seems to be an application from Margaret Kelly, the daughter of Daniel and Margaret. There is a reference to their marriage on the second image and to Mary, 6 months.
However, the groupings on the second image are confusing to me.
There is no reference to Daniel -apart from the note re the marriage so I wonder if the Kelly names are relevant to Margaret/Peggy Kelly and not Daniel.
The date of application - 1920?
The street address posted for the applicant - Mr J E O'Neill, Main Street, Maghera, Co Derry is, I wonder, someone of status applying on behalf of the applicant. As yet I have seen no connection.
I hope all this makes some sort of sense!
Added
If you have Ancestry, the revision books are there and more easy to follow.
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There is a marriage here which may be relevant but I haven’t found the couple later
Margaret Kelly, Strawmore with father Dan Kelly and James Toner
A witness- Rosey Kelly
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10783/5932384.pdf
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This is Margaret Kelly Toner in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Tullykeron/Halfgayne/1531687/
Possibly, the daughter of Daniel Kelly, Strawmore
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The key phrase on that 1851 search form is beside the caption ''Return searched by' which includes the clerks initials date and 'fam[ily]' not found - see over' - so a negative result. So something in the provided information in 1920 was not accurate, i.e. date, names or location. (Note the extract made by, certified by etc are not filled in)
The details on the other side of the form are other Kelly families located in the area for reference.
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Amended
Thank you for your reply.
I thought the family groups may not apply, but it was the marriage date - 1850 and the names of the parents which I thought might have been provided by the applicant and therefore may be relevant.
Good to know though.
So do you think it’s the right Margaret but the groups don’t apply?
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Guys thank you so much for all the info - I'll have a look down through my Kellys and see if I can make sense of it before posting an update.