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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: sparrett on Saturday 17 September 05 01:05 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Could a kind friend look at the death date for -
Martha Parrett (nee Daniels). Mother's Maiden name - Hannah Gow. Father John Daniels.
I have always believed it to be 1932, Melbourne. However, a relative whom I have recently discovered thinks it was 1939, Melbourne.
This same relative has also told me of the remarriage of Alfred Arthur Parrett -(Martha's husband )to -
Julia Rosini Smith. Mother's Maiden Name Brenchley?
I would very much like a date for this marriage which obviously must post date the Martha death. Thanks to all. Sue
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Martha's death
PARRETT Martha
Father Daniels Jno Mother Hannah GOW
Died BTON Age 72
Year 1939 Reg Number 6086
The marriage index only goes to 1942 the second marriage didn't happen before then.
Hope that helps
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Thanks Sleat,
That's that sorted!! Sue
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Hi Sue,
As Sleat says the searchable marriages go only to 1942.
In case you don't have them the following might be of interest?
Martha's widower Alfred
*PARRETT Alfd Arthur, father Geo James, mother MASON, died age 84 in 1953 at Fitzroy #2207
Alfred's father?
PARRETT Geo Jas, father Parrett Robert, mother Eliza unknown, died age 82 in 1922 in Richmond #14619
Alfred's second wife
*PARRETT Julia Rosina, father Smith Edward, mother Julia BRENCHLEY, died age 83 in 1969 at Heidelberg #24913
Two of Alfred and Martha's children
*PARRETT George Alfred Ja, father Alfred Arthu, mother Martha DANIELS, died age 79 in 1969 in Burwood #22485
*PARRETT Albert Rupert, father Alfred, mother Martha DANIELS, died age 87 in 1979 at MTMA (possibly Mt Martha) #18650
Two of Martha's sisters:
*DANIELS Jeannie, father Daniels Jno, mother Hannah GOW, died age 67 in 1923 at Brunswick #13746
*DANIELS Mary, father Daniels Jno, mother Hannah GOW, died age 59 in 1934 at Port Melbourne #7020
Do you have the marriage of Martha's parents, Martha's birth, and births and deaths of other siblings in Victoria - there are quite a few?
Certificates can be downloaded (for a fee) at:
http://www.dvc.vic.gov.au/bdm.htm
JAP
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Dear Jap,
I am flabergasted!!( I also hope I can spell it)
I did have the 3 children of Martha and Alfed Arthur and the other bits and pieces.
HOWEVER, I never thought to seek out Martha's birth or siblings of Martha or the marriage of her parents which I thought took place in Eng, although, I never had much success with a definite entry.
I do think that Alfred and Martha were married in Castlemaine, NSW.
Are you saying that it is all at bdm?
I am very grateful for your help.
I wonder whether you could offer any advice on this .
Alfred Arthur (according to verbal history) arrived in Adelaide around 1884 as a stowaway. How do you think he would get Australian citizenship in those days? Thanks again. Sue
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Hi again Sue,
From the Pioneer Index:
*John DANIELLS (sic) m Hannah GOW 1856 #2852
They had:
*Jane DANIELS b 1856 Portland #13327R (the 'R' means there has been a change made - in this case it seems she was probably born before the marriage as there is also an entry for Jane GOW, mother Hannah GOW b 1856 Portland with the same ref number)
*Catherine Maria DANIELS b 1858 Portland #7679
*John DANIELS b 1860 CAST (this could be Casterton or Castlemaine but likely to be the latter given other entries) #9964
*Robert DANIELS b 1862 CAST #13431
*Emma DANIELS b 1864 CAST #13939; died age 1 1866 CAST #790
*Martha DANIELS b 1866 CMAINE #13663
*Ralph DANIELS b 1868 The Loddon #22192
*Lillie DANIELS b 1870 CAST #21947; died age 2 weeks in 1871 CAST #526
*Frederick William DANIELS b 1872 CAST #1248
*Mary DANIELS b 1875 CAST #7665
*Hannah DANIELS b 1879 Loddon #21805
There's also
*Ak DANIELS died age 14 in 1886 CMAINE #751 - given the age this is probably a mistranscription of Frederick.
*Hannah DANIELS, father Gow Robt, mother unknown, died age 70 in Castlemaine in 1907 #11635
(There's a Hannah GOW, father Robert in the IGI b 1837 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland - wonder if that's Hannah!)
Well, I think that's enough for now. Do you have access to the Victorian CD indexes? If you are near an LDS FHC in Australia, they normally have them.
Incidentally, there wouldn't have been any such thing as Australian citizenship in 1884 (federation not having happened until 1901). Before that places such as SA, NSW and Vic were colonies of Great Britain. And Victoria, until separation was approved in 1850, was part of NSW.
Regards,
JAP
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Hi again Jap,
wonderful information. A whole new branch has opened up.
I don't know why I didn't think of your reflections on the citizenship issue. Of course that would be the case. Many thanks. Sue
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And again Sue,
This is possibly Hannah and family arriving in 1854 on the 'Indian Ocean'.
From the PROV Assisted Immigrants online database
Robert GOW 43 Book 10 Page 359
Jane GOW 39 Do
Peter GOW 19 Book 10 Page 368
Hannah GOW 16 Do
Lilly GOW 14 DO
Further details will be availabe from the fiche.
Cheers,
JAP
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Dear Jap,
I am flabergasted!!( I also hope I can spell it)
I did have the 3 children of Martha and Alfed Arthur and the other bits and pieces.
HOWEVER, I never thought to seek out Martha's birth or siblings of Martha or the marriage of her parents which I thought took place in Eng, although, I never had much success with a definite entry.
I do think that Alfred and Martha were married in Castlemaine, NSW.
Are you saying that it is all at bdm?
I am very grateful for your help.
Hi sparrett
Castlemaine is in Victoria
Their marriage took place in 1889 Ref: 3471
Alfred birthplace is given as London.
Cheers
Genni
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Hi Genni,
I think I am having a clear case of too much excitment. Of course Castlemaine is here in Vic. and I can't believe I thought otherwise. A senior lapse perhaps. Thanks for your snippet. Sue
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Hi Jap , This is the 2nd time I have typed and posted this reply to you. I think here are problems since the upgrade of this site because things get posted, but never appear on the board and are lost.
BUT - I wanted to say that this is certainly Hannah arriving and that I think you are amazing!!!!
I note the name Lily. This was the name of the 3rd child of Alfred and Martha(after the boys you noted) and I see she had an aunt and a baby sister(dec) of that name. A million thanks. Sue
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Can't leave it alone ...
Possible deaths of Robert and Jane in Victoria.
*GOW Robert, born Scotland, died age 57 in 1867 #5297
*GOW Jane, born Scotland, died age 60 in 1880 #3712
Possible marriage of Lilly GOW in Victoria.
*Lillias GOW m John KNOX 1859 #2650
They had in Victoria:
*Mary KNOX (mother listed as Lilly GOW) b 1860 in BRID #3724
*Hannah KNOX (mother listed as Lilly GOW) b 1861 in Ballarat #21021
Perhaps Jane was Robert's second wife?.
From the IGI.
*A Robert GOW m Hannah ROBERTSON, 9 Dec 1827, Cargill Perth
Do Kinclaven Perth (presumably banns posted in both bride's and groom's parishes)
A Robert Gow and a Hannah ROBERTSON had:
*Peter 1834 Perth Perth
*Ann 1836 Dundee Angus
*Hannah 1837 Dundee Angus
*Lilias 1840 Dundee Angus
A Robert GOW m a Jean PATTERSON 1844 Dundee Angus
Regards,
JAP
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Hi again Sue,
Nothing amazing - just very routine searching with the search capacities available.
I'm glad Genni found the marriage.
Genni, are there any births of children to Alfred and Martha in that Federation period?
Cheers,
Judy
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3 kids to Alfred and Martha in Fed period
PARRETT Albert Rupert
Father: Alf Arth Mother: Martha DANIELS
Birth Place: FITZROY SOUTH
Year: 1891
Reg. Number: 33036
PARRETT Geo Alf Jas
Father: Alf Arth Mother: Martha DANIELS
Birth Place: CLIFTON HILL
Year: 1890
Reg. Number: 11406
PARRETT Lily Aileen
Father: Alfd Arth Mother: Martha DANIELLS
Birth Place: FITZROY SOUTH
Year: 1894
Reg. Number: 3306
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Dear Jap and Sleat
Everything you have found appears very likely indeed. We seem to have got a long way back in genealogical history in a short afternoon! It looks as if all the dates are within a reasonable closeness to be probable.
Yes I think it looks as if the children of the Gow family may have had a mother not Jane and there is enough time space between Peter and Hannah to allow for Ann's birth in 1836, though she is not shown with them on the ship.
Also, Lillias is an odd name isn't it? I have not heard it before at all so not likely a co-incidence of names.
A family Knox were and are well-known land-owners and graziers in rural Vic. I wonder if same family. She was a young bride.
What a wonderful afternoon. Thanks to you both . Sue
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Yes I think it looks as if the children of the Gow family may have had a mother not Jane and there is enough time space between Peter and Hannah to allow for Ann's birth in 1836, though she is not shown with them on the ship.
Also, Lillias is an odd name isn't it? I have not heard it before at all so not likely a co-incidence of names.
A family Knox were and are well-known land-owners and graziers in rural Vic. I wonder if same family. She was a young bride.<snip>
Dear Sue,
I suspect that Ann was named after her mother Hannah (Ann and Hannah are common variants) and that she did not survive so they named the next daughter by the same name but using the variant Hannah (might Hannah ROBERTSON's mother have been Ann/Hannah)..
Lilias/Lillias and variants are not so odd - try it in the IGI just entering the forename and selecting British Isles as the region.
Let's hope the land-owning KNOXs are yours - though my experience of thinking to link with Western District PHILP/PHILIPs yielded much interest, and some really great correspondents, but no connexion! (They were in the Miga Lake area and Captain PHILIP was from Aberdeen; my children's paternal PHILP/PHILIPs were around Castlemaine - especially Franklinford - and came from Fife.)
Peter GOW however is not really a common name - and if the family followed Scottish naming patterns Peter would be Robert's father's name (assuming that Robert had not married even earlier and already had sons). I always check for the variant Patrick when I come across a Peter in Scotland (so many Irish chaps called Patrick adopted Peter instead). But, in Perthshire, there are quite a few Peter GOWs and quite a few Patrick GOWs.
Well, Sue, it's been good to see some genealogical positives this afternoon. For myself, my printer has conked out (I've just tried everything possible to no avail and much frustration). It's fairly ancient so probably has an inbuilt self-destruct program to foil those of us who fondly imagine that a piece of equipment (like those of our youth) will keep on keeping on!
Far worse - my desktop has suddenly lost all sorts of icons including my email, my genealogical program, etc, etc; and not just the icons - I can't find them anywhere. And this just less that 24 hours after I was telling myself that I MUST update everything across to my recently resuscitated laptop (I'm too tired tonight, said I, I'll do it tomorrow - and you think computers aren't mindreaders!).
On Monday I shall take my computer down to the local repairers and hope that they can do some good ...
Meantime, how nice to find people who might belong to another RootsChatter!
JAP
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Yes Jap, obviously IT KNEW and was waiting till all the Parrett/Gow/Daniels info was neatly passed on and then said"Mmmm, I'm over this genealogical stuff. She's been dangling me on a thin string for too long and I'm out of here. Hooroo!!"
I have found the 'technical advise' section of rootschat to be wonderfully helpful, but your things might be more profound. Best of luck and I hope you receive these heart-felt thanks on your collapsing system. Sue
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You will cringe when I say this, but the marriage of Alfred Arthur PARRETT & Julia Rosina SMITH was in Sydney! And it was the same year as the death of Martha PARRETT nee DANIELS [though it is possible AAP & Martha were estranged by the end anyway]. NSW 20394/1939 Petersham. Julia would have been born around 1886 (est. from her age in the death registration), and appears not previously to have married, but I cannot find a birth registration in either Vic or NSW.