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Title: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: Nicky on Sunday 22 February 26 21:21 GMT (UK)
I have come across a Catherine (kate) Lynch on an Ireland census search form 1841-1851. It states her father was Thomas Lynch and mother Mary nee Boyce. Also mention names Denis, Margaret and Mary.

I have found the family in 1851 in pancras. Believe Mary died 1859 and Thomas 1872 both in Pancras. All 6 are correct and match the form.

Can't find them after 1851 until Catherine marries in 1872 to Thomas b Archibald. 

What exactly is the form? And can anyone find them after 1851?


Gone cross eyed searching 🙈
Any help will be very gratefully received.

Nicky
Title: Re: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: heywood on Sunday 22 February 26 21:36 GMT (UK)
Usually, it applies to an old age pension application. The form is annotated that Kate would not be on the 1851 census if she was already living in England.
Title: Re: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: heywood on Sunday 22 February 26 21:58 GMT (UK)
The death certificates for Mary and Thomas might help with addresses and informants.
Do you have Catherine’s marriage certificate?

Added - just found the marriage - no help. Just says St Pancras and no father’s details either!
Title: Re: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 22 February 26 22:26 GMT (UK)
The Census Search forms explained here
https://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/home.jsp
Title: Re: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: Nicky on Monday 23 February 26 07:36 GMT (UK)
Thank you. Got the death certificate for Thomas, think it's probably the right one, these are details
Thomas age 79, died 21 May 1870 at 47 Clarendon Square, Somers Town. Informant M canavan present at death.

Too many Maria/Mary. Got one death certificate but definitely wrong one.

I've hit a dead end now. The census search form definitely indicates this is the right family but after 1851 can't find anything.

Nicky
Title: Re: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: heywood on Monday 23 February 26 08:16 GMT (UK)
As you say, there is no sign of them at all. Mary Ann Canavan is living at 47, Clarendon Square in
1871 221/60/30 with her husband Joseph and children.
There are lots of other families/people at the address but no Lynch.
Looking at births, Mary Ann’s maiden name was McCoy.
Title: Re: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: heywood on Monday 23 February 26 08:27 GMT (UK)
The McCoys are there in 1861 too. I have tried searching around on both 1861 and 1871 with no results.
Title: Re: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: heywood on Monday 23 February 26 08:54 GMT (UK)
Have you seen this marriage – even though again not much help but a possibility for Dennis?
May 1868 - St Pancras
Dennis Henry Linch , Plasterer, Aldenham St - father Thomas Linch, labourer
Mary Ann White,Dentons  Buildings, father deceased.
Witnesses John White, Elizabeth Edmonds.

1871 227/50/3
Goldington St
D H Lynch
M A
E M daughter
Title: Re: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: Nicky on Monday 23 February 26 10:42 GMT (UK)
Yes it's all strange unless 2 Thomas Lynch each married a Maria Boyce.

My Thomas Lynch married Maria Boyce in 1833 in Ballingarry,  Limerick. They had Denis 1836 and a Margaret 1838.  I have Denis right up to his death as he's my husbands relative. Denis joined the army, married in Plymouth and then lived in Guernsey.

Maybe they just are different families 🙈
Title: Re: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: heywood on Monday 23 February 26 11:29 GMT (UK)
So is that Denis not the right one?
Title: Re: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: heywood on Monday 23 February 26 12:03 GMT (UK)
Do you have other records which show his mother as Mary Boyce.
I can see a marriage in 1833 but that is in Adare - bottom of right hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634902?locale=en#page/72/mode/1up

I haven’t yet found any baptisms to the couple. Do you have those you mention? What about the other children?
Title: Re: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: Nicky on Monday 23 February 26 12:26 GMT (UK)
Not sure if that Denis is the right one, i am thinking that maybe there are 2 with Thomas Lynch and Maria Boyce as parents.

I have Denis Lynch baptism. 14th January 1836
Parish Feenagh & Kilmeedy, father Thomas Lynch, mother Maria Boyce.

I have a Margaret bap 23 May 1838 but can't find what I've done to confirm that information. 
Title: Re: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: heywood on Monday 23 February 26 12:52 GMT (UK)
Is that a record from Roots Ireland - a pay site?
It isn’t covered here https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0899?locale=en

Do you have other records,though, which confirm his mother as Boyce.

Do you have his military record?

I see that Fold3 has these two records:

Denis Lynch, Sergeant
Pension Age 39 yrs (abt 1837)
Birthplace Adare, Limerick
Pension Date 5th  Sept 1876
Regiment:57 Foot
RegimentalNo. 2952

Denis Lynch
Rank   G. (gunner?)
Pension Age 44 yrs
Birth Date   abt 1835
Birthplace    Ballingarry, Limerick
Pension Date 25th Feb 1879
Regiment   Coast Bde Arly R. A.(Royal Artillery?)
Regimental Number   3740
Title: Re: Ireland census search form and England census
Post by: Nicky on Monday 23 February 26 13:51 GMT (UK)
I have his military records. Discharge number is 3740, Gunner Denis Lynch. He first signed up 14th December 1855 as a volunteer in the Limerick artillery.  Says he was a carpenter born in the parish of Ballingarry. Left army in 1879.

Maybe I have the wrong baptism for Denis Lynch?

I will keep looking