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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: aidansrest on Thursday 19 February 26 12:57 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Can anyone help in finding out what happened to William Lightbody, born in Newcastle during the March quarter of 1855 - parents James Lightbody and Ann Bathurst.
He married Ellen Hodgson there during the September quarter of 1878.
Ellen had been born in Newcastle in 1854,being baptised there on the 24th September, the daughter of William Hodgson and Elizabeth Lattimer.
A son, William James, was born on the 12th May 1879, and baptised on the 30th July, and he can be found with his parents on the 1881 census, living in 16 Oystershell Lane, Newcastle, where his father, William, was employed as a corporation labourer.
Elizabeth Ann, was baptised on the 19th April 1882, and William Albert, was baptised on the 27th February 1884.
The two boys appear to have been known by their middle names of James and Albert.
So far so good....
However, by the time of the 1891 census, sons, William James (James) and William Albert (Albert), were inmates of the Union Workhouse, High Elswick, Newcastle, each named as a ‘child of William.’
Daughter, Elizabeth Ann, was living with her maternal uncle, William Hodgson, in 25 Alexander Street, Elswick, where she was listed as being his ‘niece.’
Where were William and Ellen??
By 1894, both the boys were enrolled in St Mary's Roman Catholic School, from the workhouse.
I can't find any of the Lightbody family at all in 1901 ??? ???
Son, William James Lightbody (James) married Emily Bolam during the June quarter of 1905, and, daughter, Elizabeth Ann, married John Luthwaite in Newcastle during the June quarter of 1908.
Son, William Albert, appears to have been admitted to Newcastle Lunatic Asylum before 1911, and remained in the care of the Mental Hospital for many years, still residing there, as a patient, at the time of the 1939 register.
William James, died, as James Lightbody in 1910; his widow, Emily, naming herself as Emily Hodgson in 1911, before remarrying. Could the 'Hodgson' name be connected to her husband's mother?
Elizabeth Ann didn't die until 1955 and her brother, William Albert, died in 1958.
By wwhere were they all in 1901, and what happened to their parents? Can't trace any death, or any sign of either on a census after 1881.
Any help would be appreciated
Sue
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A possible sighting in 1887, the age is right?
10 June 1887: Newcastle Courant
Police Courts
NEWCASTLE
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TUESDAY
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William Lightbody (32) was charged with stealing 14s 6d from the person of Michael Leavey, while in Back Seaham Street on the 4th inst. The prisoner and prosecutor had worked together. On the day in question, while they were drinking, prisoner knocked his fellow-workman down and robbed him of his money. — Prisoner was committed to gaol for three months.
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I don’t know how common those surnames are in the area but there is also this birth
Sarah Lightbody mothers maiden name Hodgson born Jun 1886 Newcastle
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Yes, thought that newspaper account may have been connected to 'my' William', and thanks for the birth of Sarah!
It is a family name, William had a sister of that name.
Sue
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Perhaps William changed his surname after getting into trouble.
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And in 1885?
28 December 1885: Newcastle Evening Chronicle
THEFT FROM THE PERSON IN NEWCASTLE.
At the Newcastle Police Court, this morning, William Lightbody, 29, was charged with stealing a silver lever watch and gold albert, value £7, from the person of John Small, while drunk in some part of the city between 7 p.m. on the 10th and 1:30 a.m on the 11th October last. —Mr. E. Clarke defended. —John Small stated that he was a labourer, and lived at Birtley, in the county of Durham, and on the 10th October was in Newcastle. About seven o'clock on the evening of that day he was in the Clock public-house. He had some drink, and that was the last time he remembered seeing the watch and albert which he was wearing. He paid six guineas for the watch. About two o'clock on the following morning he found himself near St. Thomas's Church, and discovered that his watch and albert were gone. He did not see them again until Saturday last, when he saw them at Westgate Police Station. In answer to Mr. Clarke, prosecutor stated that be had no remembrance of giving his watch to the prisoner to keep for him while in the Back Row. He did not remember being in the Back Row that night he never went to such places—nor had he any recollection of being with any women that night. —Thomas Stewart gave evidence of a woman named Ellen Liddell taking the watch and albert to a pawnshop for the purpose of pledging them. Ellen Liddell admitted taking the watch to the pawnshop, and said she received it from her husband, who in turn said he received it from the prisoner's brother, the latter stated that be received the watch and albert from the prisoner, who gave it to him to keep. —Mr. Clarke submitted that there was no case, but on the magistrates stating that they were inclined to commit the prisoner for trial, he pleaded guilty, and was sent to prison for one month with hard labour.
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Thankyou!! So he could have possibly moved put of the area to live - perhaps?
Sue
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I think John Small is the one from out of the area not William Lightbody.
But that report gives us some other people to investigate such as Ellen Liddell, her husband and "the prisoners brother"
What is a gold albert?
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Think its a chain
Sue
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If James Lightbody was his brother there is a crime news article from 16 Jun 1893 - The Newcastle Daily Chronicle
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I also have a report from 1890 for James Lightbody - he was a cartman by trade, and this story dealt with his cruelty to a horse that was eventually destroyed.
Sue
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Electoral Register 1890 PB of Newcastle Upon Tyne
William Lightbody, 43 Hedley Place, dwelling house
By 1891 census the Jeffrey family are residing there.
Is this death Ellen ???
15 April 1890 Newcastle Workhouse, Elizabeth Lightbody, 32, wife of William Lightbody of 34 Hedley Place Newcastle. Died of chronicle nephritis and uraemia.
Burial of Ellen Lightbody 17 April 1890 at Elswick https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:C6LQ-FYW2?lang=en&cid=fs_copy (burial)
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Thank you so much!! That's excellent- helps to explain so much!!
Sue
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There are two possible burials that could be daughter Sarah
Sarah Ann Lightbody buried 22 Sep 1887
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CX3J-Z4ZM?lang=en&cid=fs_copy
Which is this death
LIGHTBODY, SARAH ANN 1
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 44
(Can’t see a birth for a Sarah Ann Lightbody)
Or this Sarah Lightbody who died 9 Sep 1887 buried 11 Sep 1887
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZPC-1Z4?lang=en&cid=fs_copy (Death)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68DX-Y4NT?lang=en&cid=fs_copy (Burial)
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Thanks again! I think I had found Sarah, born as Sarah Lightbody during the June quarter of 1886, and dying, as Sarah Ann, during the September quarter of 1887.
Sue