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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Channel Islands Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Iscah on Monday 16 February 26 15:29 GMT (UK)
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Record Location:
PRIAULX Library/ Guernsey GREFFE
Search period(s):
Civil Births: 11 Nov 1866/11 Nov 1867
Baptisms: Nov 1866 - Jan 1869
I am sincerely hoping that someone might be able to find the civil birth registration/ baptismal record for :
Annie Gertrude WHEATLEY in St Peter Port, Guernsey.
b. 11 Nov 1866
(according to her later census information.)
The information requested does not appear to be in the record indices of any of the standard genealogical websites.
I am specifically trying to determine the identity of Annie's MOTHER.
Note:
*Annie may also have been registered or baptized under: Gertrude Annie Wheatley, Annie Wheatley, Gertrude Wheatley, or; possibly under her mother's maiden name which is unknown at present.
**'Wheatley' is also commonly misspelled 'Wheatly.'
Other possibilities include being registered/baptized as 'Ann'/ 'Anne.'
I am really struggling with this as census data is also sparse and does not place her in the household with her parents as one might expect.
Many thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to look up any of this information! I would be so, so grateful if anyone can help me solve this mystery!! I have pretty much exhausted all other avenues.
Fingers crossed! :)
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There's an 1871 Census record -
Annie Wheatley, age 4, granddaughter, born Guernsey St Peter Port.
Head of Household Robert Wheatley, age 63, Pensioner, born Kinnegal, Ireland
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Access to BMDs -
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/birth-marriage-death-channel-islands-and-man/
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Thank you so much for looking :)
I have found this census and also her 1891 census by which time she is a married adult. I do not have a census for her in 1881 but I do have a record of her living with her aunt and uncle in 1885. This is why I need to locate either her birth or baptismal record which need to be searched for in person at the Priaulx Library in order to find out her mother's name. The National Archives do not hold the records for the Channel Islands, unfortunately.
Diolch o galon!
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The article explains where BDMs are available, confirming they are not available on line. Apologies for not determining from your post that you were requesting someone to visit the source of the records.
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No worries, please know that your efforts are still very much appreciated!
Being in Wales makes it quite difficult to access the source myself directly. I have found a civil birth record on findmypast that corresponds to the birth date that I have for her but it is for an Ann Britton with the father recorded as John Britton so I don't think this is the right one.
Not all of the records from Guernsey in the 1860s period have been indexed online yet so the only way that I know to find her birth/ baptism record is to go directly to the source. It is a pain :-\
Diolch eto!
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Diolch am yr ymateb.
Pob lwc.
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Are we looking for a marriage of a Robert William Wheatley born Malta 06.03.1843 the son of Robert Wheatley and Mary Anne Battersley.
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added, possible death in Queensland.
Robert Wheatley
Event date: 13/07/1881
Event type: Death registration
Registration details: 1881/B/14155
Mother: Mary Ann Batersby
Father/parent: Robert Wheatley
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Yes, this is her father as far as I can tell.
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I appreciate the wife of Robert whom he married in 1880 is not Annie’s mother. I was trying to establish I was researching the correct Robert
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Just an observation, when Robert William's birth is registered it appears his surname is WAKE
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hmmn... yes, I have checked the record and it does seem to say Robert William WAKE, I am unsure as to why. His parents are correct. Any ideas as to why this might be? It does seem unusual.
I have a fairly significant gap in my records for him after 1851 (8y.o), the next record I have is in 1873 (30y.o) where he is an AB. Although he could have been anywhere during this time, Annie is consistently recorded as being born in St. Peter Port, Guernsey (where her father lived since 1845 when he was 2y.o.)
Many thanks for all your time, effort & patience!
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Annie Gertrude (1867) and Emily (1864) are consistent in naming father as Robert on their marriage cert, but both omit occupation/profession. Yet to spot a marriage for Elizabeth (1865).
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Do you have Robert, born Malta, on the '51 Census?
Transcribed as Whealty - ref. Piece 2530, Folio 194, page 8
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I can't actually check it right now as I don't have an active subscription on Ancestry at present.
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Found 2 1877 record entries of Robert in Australia.
1 Travelling from Hobart to Sydney NSW 5.1.1877
2 an AB on the vessel "Exonia", Adelaide to Sydney 3.4.1877
SS
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Yes, that is consistent with what I have found as well. I think we have now covered all of the information I have pertaining to him pretty much.
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On the 1851 Census - transcribed as Whealty.
Robert, 43, b. Ireland; Mary Ann 35, b. America
Robert, son, age 8, Scholar, born Malta
Siblings - William 15, b. America; Agnes 13, b. England; Mary Ann 10, b. England; Elizabeth 4, b. at sea; George 1, b. St P. Port
As you say, address 46 High St.
Last sighting for Mary Ann, born 1816/17 is as an outpatient of St Peter Port Poor Law Board, May/June 1879, address 27 Park St. She's not at this address in '81. I think I see Emily in '81 but Annie is so, so elusive!
PS - have spotted the Welsh connection.
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On the 1851 Census - transcribed as Whealty.
Robert, 43, b. Ireland; Mary Ann 35, b. America
Robert, son, age 8, Scholar, born Malta
Siblings - William 15, b. America; Agnes 13, b. England; Mary Ann 10, b. England; Elizabeth 4, b. at sea; George 1, b. St P. Port
As you say, address 46 High St.
Last sighting for Mary Ann, born 1816/17 is as an outpatient of St Peter Port Poor Law Board, May/June 1879, address 27 Park St. She's not at this address in '81. I think I see Emily in '81 but Annie is so, so elusive!
PS - have spotted the Welsh connection.
Yes, Mary Ann (1817) died in 1880. She seemed to have suffered with several bouts of Chronic Bronchitis from 1877-1879 before she passed away in the January of the following year.
Annie was living with her Aunt Susan 1885 but I have no idea where she was in 1881. She remained with her Aunt and Uncle until 1888. Her Aunt Susan died in 1893 (aged only 36) and Annie paid for her burial.
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Hi,
I'm not sure if I am looking at the same image as you, I see Robert's name as Robert William Wake, son of Robert WHEATLEY,
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u8a/
I can't find Annie Gertrude's or Elizabeth's births but I have found the other grand-daughter Emily,
Bailiwick Of Guernsey, Civil Births
02 Apr 1864
Emily
(illegitimate)
Mary Ann WHEATLY
Birth place Grande Rue
That's the same address the family is at in the census, Robert Snr and Mary have a daughter Mary Ann b.1841 living with them in 1851
As Emily used the name Robert as her father when she got married it seems that she was actually using her grandfather's name. I wonder if the other girls did the same?
Daisy
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That is a very good find re the birth of Emily. Well done Daisy
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I'll second that.
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Hi Daisy, thanks, that's exactly what I have been wondering because I have Emily as the daughter of Mary Ann (1841) due to the fact that her birth registration lists her mother as Mary Ann Wheatley but no father is listed.
This is why, without a birth/baptismal record for Annie I cannot determine if they are actually cousins or sisters.
I was really hoping someone who could access the The Priaulx Library who is local could finally clear things up for me by looking where all the Guernsey records (or copies thereof) are actually kept so I could find out who Annie's mother was.
I was hoping to not have to spend 40 pounds on a single birth certificate from the Guernsey Greffe but unless someone who is already at the Priaulx Library can do a quick look-up while they're there (which is free) it's looking like it might be the only option. This is my last-ditch attempt to solve the mystery before making such an investment.
RE: Robert William Wake, yes that's exactly what it appears to say, it then goes on to say: son of Robert Wheatley, Private 1st Rifles and his wife, Mary Ann.
Thanks all, I appreciate the difficult detective work this line requires! You've all caught up to speed pretty quick! I am impressed ;)
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It appears that Mary Ann, Annie Gertrude & Elizabeth do not appear in 1881 census, Emily does.
Could this be because Mary Ann Wheatley married William (surname DUTCH--22nd Brigade R A, father Joseph) 27th August 1875 St Pierre Du Bois, Guernsey. She is the daughter of Robert Wheatley, her abode St Peter's Port.
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appears with William in 1891 census and Susan Argyle nee' Wheatley.
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There are a lot of Guernsey records at FindMyPast if you are a member,
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u8b/
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It appears that Mary Ann, Annie Gertrude & Elizabeth do not appear in 1881 census, Emily does.
Could this be because Mary Ann Wheatley married William (surname DUTCH--22nd Brigade R A, father Joseph) 27th August 1875 St Pierre Du Bois, Guernsey. She is the daughter of Robert Wheatley, her abode St Peter's Port.
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appears with William in 1891 census and Susan Argyle nee' Wheatley.
Ahh so the immigration record in 1876 says Gunner Dutch, not Duty! That helps, I couldn't read it on the form, it looks like it says 'Duty.'
In 1876 these three sisters were bound for Southampton aboard the Brittany vessel; Mary Ann, Susan and Martha M.
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There are a lot of Guernsey records at FindMyPast if you are a member,
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u8b/
I don't have an active subscription at present because I hit a brick wall but I do find it a very helpful site for the Guernsey records. It seems to hold the most because the Guernsey Archives are in partnership with them and are in the process of digitizing their records to make them available online.
Although not all of the records for the 1860s are available online yet, which is why I think I can't find Annie's birth or baptism on there.
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Ahh so the immigration record in 1876 says Gunner Dutch, not Duty! That helps, I couldn't read it on the form, it looks like it says 'Duty.'
In 1876 these three sisters were bound for Southampton aboard the Brittany vessel; Mary Ann, Susan and Martha M.
Where do these records appear please--any links available
SS
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I saved the image from findmypast. It is located under the Travel and Migration Category, in the Record set: Guernsey Passenger Lists. The Archive is Island Archives. The Archive Ref. is: AQ999/1.
*Note: They have been recorded under the spelling variation: 'Wheatly'