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Title: P for pauper?
Post by: Top-of-the-hill on Sunday 08 February 26 20:09 GMT (UK)
  I am looking at a burial register for 1791 and am finding entries marked with capital "P" and lower case "pauper". Do they mean something different?
Title: Re: P for pauper?
Post by: Bookbox on Sunday 08 February 26 20:30 GMT (UK)
Looking at more pages of the register, there does seem to be a distinction made between P and pauper. So it might be P for Pensioner - someone receiving a regular parish pension, paid for by an endowment or charitable fund, as distinct from a pauper in receipt of casual poor relief.
Title: Re: P for pauper?
Post by: cockney rebel on Sunday 08 February 26 23:18 GMT (UK)
I thought first "Private" but I#ve only seen that at Baptisms..
Rebel
Title: Re: P for pauper?
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 09 February 26 08:11 GMT (UK)
My first thought was Private but Pensioner would make sense.  It’s a longer word to write out in full. 
Title: Re: P for pauper?
Post by: Top-of-the-hill on Monday 09 February 26 09:20 GMT (UK)
  Thanks for your thoughts on this. Perhaps Pensioner is the answer.
Title: Re: P for pauper?
Post by: Spelk on Monday 09 February 26 13:32 GMT (UK)
Maybe it is down to whether the vicar or curate was making the entry.
Title: Re: P for pauper?
Post by: cockney rebel on Monday 09 February 26 13:42 GMT (UK)
From Ancestry_
"Genealogical Clue: Finding a 'P' or 'p' next to a burial entry often indicates that the individual was buried at the expense of the parish (i.e., a parish pauper funeral)"

Could be correct, I guess, but with Ancestry just you never know...!

Rebel
Title: Re: P for pauper?
Post by: hanes teulu on Monday 09 February 26 15:06 GMT (UK)
Maybe it is down to whether the vicar or curate was making the entry.
Looking at the register, the use of "P" or "Pauper" (a couple of entries enjoy both "P" and "Pauper") appears to apply to the Curacies of Montague Davis and Thomas Edwards.

The earliest use of "P" is 16 Nov 1783 (Montague's name appears at foot of following sheet) and the latest for Thomas Edwards 27 Jan 1794. There is one entry later than this but difficult to identify whose curacy (it hasn't been an exact science).

There are instances of burials that must have fallen to the Parish to pay but are not marked to indicate so. Or is payment by parish implied eg "A vagrant name unknown, 7 Jul 1788". Of course, the vagrant could have had a bob or two on them or something of value?
Title: Re: P for pauper?
Post by: osprey on Monday 09 February 26 17:36 GMT (UK)
Could this be to do with the Stamp Duty that was imposed on entries in parish registers between 1783 & 1794? Entries for paupers were exempt, but may have been noted as paupers so no payment required.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamp_Duties_Act_1783

Title: Re: P for pauper?
Post by: Bookbox on Monday 09 February 26 17:40 GMT (UK)
The earliest use of "P" is 16 Nov 1783 (Montague's name appears at foot of following sheet) and the latest for Thomas Edwards 27 Jan 1794.

For information, 1783-1794 is the exact period at which there was a tax of threepence charged on each entry in a parish register.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamp_Duties_Act_1783

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Snap, osprey!
Title: Re: P for pauper?
Post by: osprey on Monday 09 February 26 17:59 GMT (UK)
 ;D
Title: Re: P for pauper?
Post by: Top-of-the-hill on Monday 09 February 26 19:00 GMT (UK)
  Just out to a History Society talk (!) Will study these replies later.
Title: Re: P for pauper?
Post by: hanes teulu on Monday 09 February 26 19:38 GMT (UK)
Osprey/Bookbox,
Magic sleuthing - hope I've got my years right.