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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: crayspond on Wednesday 04 February 26 14:58 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am looking for an ancestor who emigrated to the US in 1868 settling originally in Manhattan New York. He was with his parents and siblings - but for the moment I'm concentrating on him.
Robert Thomson born 18th January 1860 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
He is seen in the 1870 US census with the family. Address 281 12 electoral district 22nd Ward NYC age 10.
Father is William Thomson 33 Stonecutter
Mother Isabella (m.s McFarlane) 31 Keeps house
daughters
Margaret 12
William 10 (as above)
Lizzie 9
Isabella 4
All above born in Scotland
Annie 1 born in NY
I never found the family again on a census but i there were 2 more daughters born
Ellen in 1870
Sarah in 1874
Apart from daughter Margaret i found the marriage and whereabouts of the other girls. I never found them all together again on another census. The parents just seem to have disappeared and i thought the same for son William.
Recently while looking for William Jnr again i found a possibility on a 1880 census in Montclair Town, Essex, New Jersey Co Essex district 104 age 20 occupation Draughtsman. After another long search i found a Naturalization Declaration for him on 25 Oct 1883 Address 609 9th Avenue New York New York. His occupation is now Architect and his Sponsor is Edward Lueder who was married to one of his sisters. I was hoping for a bit more info on the Naturalization Declaration about his parents etc. Am i missing something there i wonder?
Now it gets very slow - i find a 1900 census for William Thomson age 42 Architect in Forest Street district 207 Montclair, New Jersey, Essex with wife Hannah age 36 parents from Germany. With them is daughter Ida E age 4 William R son age 7 and Richard H age 7 months. It states married for 16 years so poss 1884. Poor woman has been mother of 9 children of whom these 3 are living.
I have ancestry membership but i feel as if I'm not doing the correct search to see actual documents. I can't find the family again after the 1900 census but neither can i find any deaths or burials. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you
Ailsa
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Here's the family in 1900 Census as you already found-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JD-LZ3?lang=en
Birth of Ida E. Thomson in 1895 gives mother as Johannah C. Wubbenhoist [Wubbenhorst]-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCBT-63X?lang=en
An attached family tree (needs everything verified)
Birth of Richard -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCNG-X4H?lang=en
Birth of son William-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W9L-921?lang=en
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Son William Robert Thomson died 1889 age 4- mother Hannah Wabbenhorst-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W8Y-BHD?lang=en
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Aghadowey,
Thanks for that info - I think the William R death must be one of her previous children who died in 1889. Hopefully this William R born 1893 made it :(
I see an 1880 census for family Weribbenhorst with a daughter Johanna age 19 b.1861 Father Luder 57 and mother Christina 52.
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I see an 1880 census for family Weribbenhorst with a daughter Johanna age 19 b.1861 Father Luder 57 and mother Christina 52.
Possible birth- father Dietrich Wubbenhorst-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27Y2-TY3?lang=en
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I would like to find out what happened to Wm Thomson, his wife Hannah and his family. I can't find them in any further census. They may have moved to another part of the USA or another country.
I never found out what happened to his mother and father after the 1870 census. They are mentioned on the daughters marriage certs but not whether they are alive.
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Have you looked at these deaths?
Death 1877 for Isabella Thompson
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WST-1W2?lang=en
Burial at the Evergreen Cemetery Brooklyn
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/213787852/isabella-thompson
ID: 213787852
Death in 1878 for Robert Thompson
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W3Q-F89?lang=en
Burial at the Evergreen Cemetery Brooklyn
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/213785898/robert-thompson
ID: 213785898
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I don't think a naturalization record that early, 1883, would have the parents' names on it. Some doc., later, did ask the father's name, but I don't remember if that was one of the naturalization records or a passport application.
By the way there were 3 docs for naturalization - Declaration of Intention, Petition for Naturalization, and the naturalization itself. You had to wait a certain number of years between the Declaration and the Petition. And you had to be in the US a certain number of years before making your Declaration.
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I had almost posted this when Neale1961 posted, So the next two paragraphs might be unnecessary now.
The fact that Wm (1860, Glasgow) made his own declaration in 1883 probably tells you that his father never was naturalized. I'm pretty sure he would have been naturalized on the strength of his father's. So maybe the father had died, or maybe he never bothered to become a US citizen. You didn't have to.
If you have found most or all of the children in 1880, especially if they are scattered, but not the parents, that would make it pretty likely that at least one of the parents had died before then. At least you likely know where - NY City.
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Marriage records in the US have never asked whether the parents were dead or alive. Not any I have seen anyway.
Wm is in the 1902 Montclair NJ City Directory as
Wm Thomson, arch, 87 1/2 Forest
But is not in the 1904 or 1905 directories. I didn't look any later than that. So your hunch that they moved might be right.
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Still looking for William and family and came across another birth-
Richard R./A Thomson (4 Mar.1901 Montclair, Essex, N.J.)
Birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP39-Q9GM?lang=en (birth index 1901/1903, Richard R., parents- William & Johanna C., reg.#4084)
Birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NS8-KNZP?lang=en (Richard A. Thomson- reg.#4084)
Likely that the son Richard H. born 3 Oct.1899 and with parents in 1900 census died 1900/1901.
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Isabella death could be a possibility but no trees attached. 1877 would have been not long after the last child Sarah Thomson was born in 1874. Maybe Margaret born 1858 - the oldest child helped raise the family. I can't find her but could be because she never married?
Death of Robert Thomson - his name is wrong as William didn't have Robert in it.
Have you looked at these deaths?
Death 1877 for Isabella Thompson
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WST-1W2?lang=en
Burial at the Evergreen Cemetery Brooklyn
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/213787852/isabella-thompson
ID: 213787852
Death in 1878 for Robert Thompson
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W3Q-F89?lang=en
Burial at the Evergreen Cemetery Brooklyn
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/213785898/robert-thompson
ID: 213785898
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oldohiohome - I did look for a declaration for William Jnr but only found the naturalization. Maybe a dispensation was made to people who had no parents and the brother in law stepped in to sponsor him?
William Sen travelled alone before Isabella and the family. I can't be certain on the passenger lists as it's a common name but he is on the 1870 census. The youngest kids must be on a 1880 census somewhere as Sarah would be 8 Ellen 10 Ann 11.
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Nellie (age 9) in 1880 Census- sister Annie (age 11) is previous entry-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ6B-9VZ?lang=en (click on image to see both girls)
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A Sadie Thompson here in 1880 which may be Sarah-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ6B-9KC?lang=en
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oldohiohome - I did look for a declaration for William Jnr but only found the naturalization.
not all records are available online. the naturalization tells you more than the declaration, so you aren't missing anything.
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Isabella death could be a possibility but no trees attached. 1877 would have been not long after the last child Sarah Thomson was born in 1874. Maybe Margaret born 1858 - the oldest child helped raise the family. I can't find her but could be because she never married?
Death of Robert Thomson - his name is wrong as William didn't have Robert in it.
I wouldn't discount this set of deaths. Your William Thomson is a stone cutter on the 1870 Census. This set of entries on the city directory shows that there was Wm Thomson who worked with stone alive during the year May 2, 1878 and May 1, 1879. But was not alive during the year May 2, 1879 and May 1, 1880. The man Neale1961 found died July 20, 1878, and is buried with an Isabella, both born in Scotland and both ages close to what the 1870 census says.
** NYC City Directory
*** 1877
William Thompson, stone, h 343 E 24th
*** 1878
image 5 says "for the year ending May 1, 1878"
William Thomson, stone, h 504 W 50th
*** 1879
image 5 says "for the year ending May 1, 1879"
William Thomson, stone, h 504 W 50th
*** 1880
cover says "1879-1880"
image 5 says "for the year ending May 1, 1880"
William Thomson, stone, is not listed
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Have you found the family in 1861, presumably in Scotland? Any births for the 3 older children ? Wm & Isabella's marriage?
I'm fishing for a record that calls him Robert or William Robert. The son born in Scotland was William Robert and he named at least 2 sons William Robert, so maybe the man who married Isabella was also a Wm Robert.
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Have you found the family in 1861, presumably in Scotland? Any births for the 3 older children ? Wm & Isabella's marriage?
I'm fishing for a record that calls him Robert or William Robert. The son born in Scotland was William Robert and he named at least 2 sons William Robert, so maybe the man who married Isabella was also a Wm Robert.
Just found the marriage 2 Oct 1857 Perth, Perth, Scotland, 3 births, and the 1861 Census. All of them call him simply William. Curses :)
I wish I could find the images of the deaths at
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/
but they are not showing up. Even if I search only for 1877 records in Manhattan, there is nothing, although it looks like there are earlier records than that in the database.
You could request the certificates by number.
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A tree on ancestry has Margaret Christie Thomson as a servant on Staten Island in 1880.
The tree estimates her father's death as "after 1872" based on Sarah's birth, which the tree places in 1873.
Says Isabella died after the 1888 City Directory was compiled. I might get a chance to look at the ones after 1880, but probably not today.
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Son Robert is called William on the passenger manifest when he arrived with his mother and siblings.
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Have you found the family in 1861, presumably in Scotland? Any births for the 3 older children ? Wm & Isabella's marriage?
I'm fishing for a record that calls him Robert or William Robert. The son born in Scotland was William Robert and he named at least 2 sons William Robert, so maybe the man who married Isabella was also a Wm Robert.
Just found the marriage 2 Oct 1857 Perth, Perth, Scotland, 3 births, and the 1861 Census. All of them call him simply William. Curses :)
Isabella was born in Perh and her parents were both born there. They moved to Glasgow in the 1840s Isabella was the oldest child. She met and married William Thomson in 1857 lived shortly in Glasgow before emigrating. William's father was William also but he had a brother Robert b.1839. Also William and Isabella had a son Robert who died in Scotland before they emigrated. Maybe brother Robert was in the US first and they followed him. I would imagine that's what would happen back then. Thanks for looking for me it's much appreciated.
I wish I could find the images of the deaths at
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/
but they are not showing up. Even if I search only for 1877 records in Manhattan, there is nothing, although it looks like there are earlier records than that in the database.
You could request the certificates by number.
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Crayspond- do you know the name of William Thomson's parents?
A William Thompson born Scotland also listed as buried in The Evergreens Cemetery- died 1912 Manhattan-
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/185561041/william-thompson
However, certificate says died Harlem Hospital, N.Y.C. and buried Elizabeth, N.J.-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WMQ-NV9?lang=en
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Nellie (age 9) in 1880 Census- sister Annie (age 11) is previous entry-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ6B-9VZ?lang=en (click on image to see both girls)
This is interesting and also sad - Is it an orphanage or workhouse? - it doesn't seem to say. Even though it says parents both born in New York and that is not the case - we don't know who would have placed them there.The fact the names (including a Sarah /Sadie) and ages all fit at the right time People say wrong things on certificates as i know only too well!
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William Thomson (c1837 Scot.-aft.1870), stonecutter, m.(1857 Govan) Isabella McFarlane (c1839 Scot.-aft.1870).
Marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2HR-GYF3?lang=en
1870- 281 12 electoral district 22nd Ward NYC
Tree- https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/9FSD-HQ8
1. Margaret Christie Thomson (19 July 1858 Perthshire, Scot.-aft.1870)
Birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ7C-LB3?lang=en
2. William Thomson (1860 Scot.-aft.1900)
3. Elizabeth Lang ”Lizzie” Thomson (19 Oct.1861 Scot.-7 Apr.1884) m.(1878) Edward Luder/Leuder
Marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2CN-YV35?lang=en
Death- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WJK-F7Y?lang=en
4. Robert Thomson (31 Jan.1864 Scot.-1865)
Birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS91-FTYS?lang=en
Death- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSH2-TSMH?lang=en
5. Isabella Thomson (6 Apr.1866 Govan, Scot.-10 Oct.1908 Manhattan) m. _ Kindberg
Birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ9T-2FW?lang=en
Death- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W9C-GPF?lang=en
6. Annie/Anne Peacock Thomson (c1869 NY/1873-aft.1870/1944) m.(6 Dec.1887 Manhattan) Henry Rider
Marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24MK-XMQ?lang=en (birth years way out)
7. Ellen/Nellie Thomson (11 Apr.1869 Manhattan) m.(13 May 1890 Manhattan) Charles James Pearson
Birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27YQ-J4K?lang=en (Ellen)
Marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:249X-5ZP?lang=en
8. Sarah Graham Thomson (c1873/1878) m.(3 Dec.1901 Manhattan) William Soule
Marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24SG-F6Y?lang=en
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I think the girls are in an orphanage in 1880. If mother Isabella died the father would have found it very difficult to look after the younger children.
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Wonder if this is supposed to be Margaret (age only a few years out)-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZF6-6HH?lang=en
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Crayspond- do you know the name of William Thomson's parents?
A William Thompson born Scotland also listed as buried in The Evergreens Cemetery- died 1912 Manhattan-
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/185561041/william-thompson
However, certificate says died Harlem Hospital, N.Y.C. and buried Elizabeth, N.J.-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WMQ-NV9?lang=en
Father William Thomson Mother Elizabeth Lang
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William Thomson (c1837 Scot.-aft.1870), stonecutter, m.(1857 Govan) Isabella McFarlane (c1839 Scot.-aft.1870).
Marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2HR-GYF3?lang=en
1870- 281 12 electoral district 22nd Ward NYC
Tree- https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/9FSD-HQ8
1. Margaret Christie Thomson (19 July 1858 Perthshire, Scot.-aft.1870)
Birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ7C-LB3?lang=en
2. William Thomson (1860 Scot.-aft.1900)
3. Elizabeth Lang ”Lizzie” Thomson (19 Oct.1861 Scot.-7 Apr.1884) m.(1878) Edward Luder/Leuder
Marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2CN-YV35?lang=en
Death- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WJK-F7Y?lang=en
4. Robert Thomson (31 Jan.1864 Scot.-1865)
Birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS91-FTYS?lang=en
Death- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSH2-TSMH?lang=en
5. Isabella Thomson (6 Apr.1866 Govan, Scot.-10 Oct.1908 Manhattan) m. _ Kindberg
Birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ9T-2FW?lang=en
Death- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W9C-GPF?lang=en
6. Annie/Anne Peacock Thomson (c1869 NY/1873-aft.1870/1944) m.(6 Dec.1887 Manhattan) Henry Rider
Marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24MK-XMQ?lang=en (birth years way out)
7. Ellen/Nellie Thomson (11 Apr.1869 Manhattan) m.(13 May 1890 Manhattan) Charles James Pearson
Birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27YQ-J4K?lang=en (Ellen)
Marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:249X-5ZP?lang=en
8. Sarah Graham Thomson (c1873/1878) m.(3 Dec.1901 Manhattan) William Soule
Marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24SG-F6Y?lang=en
These are all correct
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I think the girls are in an orphanage in 1880. If mother Isabella died the father would have found it very difficult to look after the younger children.
I do agree - but you wonder how long they would be in there? until 16 maybe and then into domestic service. They all seemed to marry and have children and got on quite well. If it's them ;)
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You have all been a great help - Thank you. I know it doesn't answer what happened to William and Johanna and if they had any children who survived - ongoing brick wall. I do have some matches on ancestry with the other siblings - but so far no one has replied to my messages.
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Son William R. Thomson born 10 May 1893.
Family tree has this person-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6K9X-RSRF?lang=en
But wrong parents and birthplace!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6KMB-MQK3?lang=en
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To aghadowey,
After looking at the list you posted of the tree on family search i now notice one is not correct.
6. Annie/Anne Peacock Thomson (c1869 NY/1873-aft.1870/1944) m.(6 Dec.1887 Manhattan) Henry Rider
Marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24MK-XMQ?lang=en (birth years way out)
This is not the same Annie Thomson. She was born 11 April 1869 and died 6 August
1956 Green Wood cemetery. King's Co,Brooklyn NY. Married to Henry Rider.
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Marriage of Anne Thomson in 1887 to Henry Rider gives her parents as William Thomson & Isabella McFarland-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24MK-XMQ?lang=en
Anne born April 2010 and Henry born June 2021 which are both obviously incorrect. Says Anne age 20 and Henry age 25 which is more reasonable. If Anne was born in 1869 then she would have been 18 not 20.
My mistake was, when starting to put together a tree, was using the information from the FS tree but forgetting to correct it when I found new information.
According to Green-wood Cemetery's burial records Anne T. Rider was buried 6 Aug.1956. Husband Henry DeKoven Rider buried 4 Apr.1943.
https://www.green-wood.com/burial-search/
Henry Rider would be a distant relative of mine.
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Here's the marriage certificate of Anne THOMSON and Henry deKoven RIDER:
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/7891912
It says Anne would turn 20 on 11 Apr 1888. And Henry would turn 25 on 21 Jun 1888. Sometimes the birth years can be off, however.
Curiously, I recognized the name and signature of one of the witnesses: Edward Kindberg, who was a specialist in prints and engravings and was an employee of the antiquarian bookseller William Evarts Benjamin in the 1890s.
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A tree on ancestry ....
Says Isabella died after the 1888 City Directory was compiled. I might get a chance to look at the ones after 1880, but probably not today.
Here are the City Directory listings for your William Thomson and all Isabella Thompsons from 1875 to 1889. The tree owner, or whoever found the information first, says about the 1888 Directory "this is the last directory I find her in, she has moved about 2 blocks away." I don't know which of the two Isabellas he/she is referring to, the one who had lived at 121 Varick since 1879, or Isabella J who didn't appear at all in 1886.
The one living on Varick can't be your Isabella because she is listed in 1879 at a different address from your William. And a person couldn't make a case that your Isabella is Isabella J because that woman only appears in 1888, and not any of the years before that.
Bottom line: I don't think he/she has the right death information for your Isabella.
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I briefly looked for Robert and Hannah in Canada and Scotland in 1911 and didn't find them.
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** NYC City Directory
*** 1875
William Thomson, stone, h 686 Eleventh Av
Isabella Thompson, widow of Joseph h 54 W 29th [the only Isabella]
*** 1877
William Thompson, stone, h 343 E 24th
Isabella Thompson, widow of Joseph h 54 W 29th [the only Isabella]
*** 1878
image 5 says "for the year ending May 1, 1878"
William Thomson, stone, h 504 W 50th
Isabella Thompson, widow of George, h 158 W. 17th
Isabella Thompson, widow of William, h 420 East 15th
*** 1879
image 5 says "for the year ending May 1, 1879"
William Thomson, stone, h 504 W 50th
Isabella Thompson, candy, 156 W 17th
Isabella Thompson, nurse, h 121 Varick
Isabella Thompson, widow, h 420 E 15th
*** 1880
cover says "1879-1880"
image 5 says "for the year ending May 1, 1880"
William Thomson, stone, is not listed
Isabella Thompson, nurse, h 121 Varick
Isabella Thompson, widow, h 420 E 15th
Isabella Thompson, widow of George, candy, 156 W 17th
*** 1882
Isabella Thompson, widow of George, candy, 156 W 17th
Isabella Thompson, widow of John E, h 340 W 41st
Isabella Thompson, widow of William, h 420 E 15th
*** 1883
Isabella Thompson, widow of John E, h 340 W 41st
Isabella Thompson, nurse, h 121 Varick
Isabella Thompson, widow of William, h 420 E 15th
*** 1886
Isabella Thompson, widow of John E, h 420 E 15th
[the recorder must have combined the two records for the widows of John E and William]
Isabella Thompson, widow of Robert, nurse, h 121 Varick
*** 1888
Isabella Thompson, widow of Robert, nurse, h 121 Varick
Isabella J Thompson, h 402 E 117th
*** 1889
Isabella Thompson, widow of George, candy, 385 E 114th
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Here's the marriage certificate of Anne THOMSON and Henry deKoven RIDER:
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/7891912
It says Anne would turn 20 on 11 Apr 1888. And Henry would turn 25 on 21 Jun 1888. Sometimes the birth years can be off, however.
Curiously, I recognized the name and signature of one of the witnesses: Edward Kindberg, who was a specialist in prints and engravings and was an employee of the antiquarian bookseller William Evarts Benjamin in the 1890s.
Anne's sister Isabella married a Kindberg- wonder if Edward was her husband. I didn't follow up on the Thomson girls with thei children, etc.
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Yes - Belle Kindberg is the other witness and she shows up as Isabella Kindberg, wife of Edward, on the 1900 Census. Here's the 1885 marriage certificate - second marriages for both - of Edward and Isabella Archer, née Thomson:
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/8047423
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Isabella was only 20 at 2nd marriage so 1st one couldn't have lasted too long.
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I wish I could find the images of the deaths at
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/
but they are not showing up. Even if I search only for 1877 records in Manhattan, there is nothing, although it looks like there are earlier records than that in the database.
You could request the certificates by number.
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/digital-vital-records
This shows what is available on there. For Manhattan, they have deaths from 1866 to 1867, 1871 to 1875, and 1920 to 1948. The rest are not digitized.
From what I've heard from others, the other years can be viewed for free at Family Search Centers.
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Here's the marriage certificate of Anne THOMSON and Henry deKoven RIDER:
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/7891912
It says Anne would turn 20 on 11 Apr 1888. And Henry would turn 25 on 21 Jun 1888. Sometimes the birth years can be off, however.
Curiously, I recognized the name and signature of one of the witnesses: Edward Kindberg, who was a specialist in prints and engravings and was an employee of the antiquarian bookseller William Evarts Benjamin in the 1890s.
Yes, I have the marriage details of Ann and Henry De Keven Rider and Edward Kindberg who married Ann's sister Isabella Thomson in 1885. She died quite a gruesome death in 1908 and there was a lot of newspaper articles about his will after he died in 1909. That's why i mentioned in my first post that i knew a lot about the rest of the family and was looking for William, Isabella and William Jnr.
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https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/digital-vital-records
This shows what is available on there. For Manhattan, they have deaths from 1866 to 1867, 1871 to 1875, and 1920 to 1948. The rest are not digitized.
From what I've heard from others, the other years can be viewed for free at Family Search Centers.
Thanks, I'll bookmark that page instead of going directly to the search page.